Fun fact, Trezor are censoring replies and questions around their recent announcement of working with Wasabi Wallet, including how it exposes their users to chain surveillance-based censorship.
https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1648727943470776320
What a time to be alive...
Yeah, thatâs fucking stupid. Thatâs a sign of weakness.
But hey, you could have @maxhillebrandâ & the Samourai guy on your podcast to have a discussion about all of this.
This is the third time Iâm trying to get your attention for this idea, but you didnât answer yet.
I don't want to give Max a platform, I've already rejected his request to come on directly.
Okay. Understand. And why? Because of their decision to work with CA firms and being OFAC compliant?
Do you have concerns about their software/approach to coinjoins too?
Here he basically says wasabi will never make alternate non censoring coordinators easy for users to opt into, citing how thatâs why tornado cashâs capitulation to the censors didnât save them. The project is rotten and riddled with cowardice and deflection. Stay in their orbit at your own risk. nostr:note1ku9jms9skcfhesjxk3x9ulxjpk5ahhk7y8z4gu7e5x70zzgvhyaspnjcz4
Okay. That doesnât have an effect on the quality of their coinjoins though. It is an issue, I agree. But I am interested if their tool works and how good it works. If it is superior to Whirlpool or at least comparable I can enhance my privacy using both. So while I disagree with their decision to work with CA firms and being OFAC compliant, I can differentiate between what I donât like and what is useful for me
That topic has been explored lots of times, most recently by Seth on a twitter Spaces, itâs been found wanting. Again, stay in their orbit at your own risk. Up to you.
My summary of that Spaces:
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Thanks! Great thread. This answers some of my questions
So, after digging a bit I found answers to some of the points #[2]â made.
To me it seems as if Seth is biased towards dismissing Wasabi. Maybe itâs unconsciously because they work with CA firms. I donât judge that. Itâs fine for me.
But as a person who doesnât have the expertise to know who is right and who is wrong (and there are arguments to be made why Whirlpool also isnât perfect) for me the best way to be sure is to first use Whirlpool and then use Wasabi. After that I should have the highest guarantee of privacy possible.
Iâm going to mute you now, idk how many times I gotta say âat your own risk.â Youâre not going to convince me to shoot my own foot as well, have fun. This debate has been done to death and only one side has actual real world examples of their mixesâ privacy being broken. If that changed the debate perhaps could be revived, but post-mix whirlpool utxos have never been shown to have been traced. End of debate for me.
Lol okay kiddo. Mute me if that makes you happy. I wasnât even trying to convince anyone. I was having a conversation as I thought nostr is for having conversations. Thanks for the links anyways, they did help me.
Wasabi being OFAC compliant isn't a bad thing.
Don't want that as a feature of your coordinater? Thankfully there are more options.
Also btcpayserver did something cool with the wasabi coordinator - have yet to check it bc my start9 never synced IBD, but I plan to wipe my raspi and go straight for btcpay directly.
They're not just OFAC compliant, they censor for a variety of reasons:
Buy fireworks or do legal sex work? CENSORED, no privacy for you!
Yeah but if you're dumb enough to get flagged that's on you right?
Just don't use wasabi if you're worried about that - just trying to point out that bashing Trezor for improving their users' privacy isn't a great target imho.
They did it in a way that protects their corporate interest, which is an obvious move..
I'm sure we will develop these features across the board with hardware - across CJ implementations.
Does this impact your trezor if you don't use wasabi or use coinjoin on the trezor. Asking for a friend if you know
No, no impact, but you hopefully aren't using Trezor Suite for managing funds, right?
If you use their software you reveal your balance/addresses to them by default.
If you're not using their software (use something like Sparrow!) it's a fine device even though I'd question their ethos now.
Trezor suite uses tor, nothing is revealed to their servers.
Most replies to their post are badly misinformed.
Not true for the vast majority of users, Tor is not default at all.
If you're not using the tools available to you I dont' know what to tell ya.
Imagine a Resevoir Dogs heist were you have the option of using your real name and giving it to the police, but thinking you are safe because ypu only refer to others by their code names. Privacy by default or none at all should be obvious.
I agree using Sparrow or Electrum + a personal Electrs server is better than Trezor Suite.
Howover in order to install device firmware updates Trezor Suite is the only option, I think... Would it be okay privacy wise to only use Trezor Suite (connected to a personal Electrs server) to update the device?
what a mess, ugh
keep fighting the good fight đ¤
Any hardware wallet that is not trash? Wouldnt use ledger, trezor or coldcard.
