It is a morality issue for sure! I’ll press back a little with your stance on free expression however…if a 40 year old man/woman like to express his love (rape) on 5 year old girls/boys is that ok in your view? That’s their free expression…
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No, that’s a crime.
But it’s free expression?…all laws are based on morality.
I was not aware of a law (in my country) that criminalized the consensual enjoyment of images of naked adults by other adults. Once you involve minors or sex trafficking it’s another story. The key word is consensual, as minors can’t provide consent.
So you are for morality over “free expression”…
I’m always for free expression, but I have my own morals that guide me, as I hope everyone does. If I were ever to see something like what you mentioned on here, I would not defend that person for posting it. Censorship-resistance doesn’t mean you can’t and shouldn’t be prosecuted for committing a crime in public. You do raise some interesting points though, about where to draw the moral line in respect to free speech.
That is a conversation as old as time. :)
Let’s be clear:
Two consenting adults doing a thing together: totally fucking cool
One adult doing a thing to a non-consenting adult or minor: not remotely fucking cool
I think the vast majority of sane people agree on that. It’s when we try to define all those words that things get sticky - and even those being very careful usually get shouted down for trying.
Things like “consent” and “minor” are not words with built in definitions, and both are under attack and not safe to assume. There are plenty of things that are very clear, like a woman who flat says “no” or the five year old in the example previously given. Can’t be clearer than that.
Which is why I said edge cases. Life gets complicated and we pass laws hoping for the best and doing what we can. We agree that they will guide us as a society.
Understand, I say this to expand upon my previous thoughts - not to disagree with you. I agree with your statement đź’Ż
Great conversions edify all of us brother. We should have more of these types of conversations. I just see a problem if everyone has their “own” morals and nothing is objectively true anymore.
Good luck imposing your view of “objective truth” on anyone else though. I don’t agree with the premise because the discussion always turns to religion and nobody can ever agree on that.
Hahaha. Look, whenever someone posts a note, they are imposing their views whether you believe it or not. There will always be an opposition but I think at the very least having a good conversation like this should be had more. There’s a lot of evil out here in the world and if nobody does or says anything about nothing will ever get done. I appreciate you man! No disrespect at all. Truly.
"Express his love (rape)" is a pretty gross take, rape has nothing to do with love. Plus that is not expressing oneself, it is a violent physical assault. This is a stupid argument, and you should be ashamed for comparing this to consenting adults.
What’s up brother! My argument wasn’t against consenting adults at all. It was morality vs “free expression” however #[4]​ defines it. I was merely using an example of free expression
Your example involves another person. Whether it’s a child or not, when you involve other people, it is no longer expression; it is aggression.
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This, đź’Ż. No one thinks violent assaults should be free expression. SMH.
What’s the difference between aggression and expression? Does expression work itself out? Because I love my wife, I do things for her that makes her happy. That’s my “expression” of love.
Aggression and expression are not antonyms. Your wife mutually agrees to accept your expression of love, and that’s great! If you express anger by punching her in the face, then you are an aggressor.
I think what Daniel means by “freedom of expression” is the freedom of someone to use their own body however they see fit. We don’t have to support this, and there’s nothing wrong with criticizing it, but to use violence (the State) to stop these actions is immoral.
Respectfully, I’m in no way saying violence is ok. I think this feed got off my original point/thought I was making.
