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🟠 isolabellart 2y ago

Many are restrained from buying my paintings, not because of the cost, but for privacy reasons.

I understand you very well, but unfortunately (and fortunately) I live in Italy and to send paintings abroad I am obliged to know all your personal data: name, surname, address, email and phone number.

I do not know any way to send a painting abroad in a PO box.

If you have any suggestions on this matter, I am happy to hear from you.

Thank you very much for your kind comments on my work...

I love you 🙏🧡💜🫂

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Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

Can you use a private courier without giving those details?

Over here (UK) I don't even need to give a return address. Nor do I need someone's residential address to post anything.

I'd be very surprised if no private courier offered the same in Italy even if the national postal service demands KYC.

I've bought DNM shit from Italy so I know for sure it is somehow.

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🟠 isolabellart 2y ago

Any painting leaving Italy has to go through customs and furthermore for each painting I have to make a request to the Beni Artistici with a self-certification of contemporary art, otherwise the painting does not leave the Italian borders.

If I then have to falsify the contents of the shipment without specifying that it is a painting, I also risk a legal sanction.

Unfortunately, it is not so easy to send works of art abroad.

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poe😱 2y ago

This is also a problem with its not quite as simple as just fixing the money and focusing on that privacy, as our entire global infrastructure is shifting focus to that surveillance state, and barring not using any service, acting outside of it and getting reprimanded is still very real.

I don't have an answer or options for you, especially in Italy, but you also can't risk getting into whatever trouble that brings trying to falsify contents, as you risk both getting in trouble, and the artwork probably being damaged if they suspect something...

🤔 It sucks as I understand both sides, and you as what I believe to be a good faith actor would prefer to have as little to do with knowing someone's personal info and just know a place to ship it. And buyers are hesitant to share that.

I hope someone else can be more helpful with this. 🫂

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Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

While I can't speak for Italy specifically, I know I've ordered packages from all over the world dispatched to me with fake declaration info (even if the contents are legal - to avoid duties) and have never once had any issues getting them and the sellers who do this have only ever been caught if they used real return addresses (that didn't belong to the sender, but did belong to real businesses), an illicit package was sent to it, and that business saw what was inside and called police.

Even the risk from that could be mitigated, but that's unnecessary to send paintings.

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Enki 2y ago

Thats kinda nuts it takes so much to send a painting. Had no Idea.

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Pablo Xannybar 2y ago

How many packages does customs actually check?

My pet gerbil's brother may or may not have ordered relatively large quantities of pharmas into the country, declared as something else by the sender, fake return address, fake value (under the tax limit), and those packs if they existed would have gone through without a hitch.

Don't forget too not only did the UK leave the EU but also is not in the Schengen area. So full customs checks are in place.

Still easy to smuggle in drugs let alone a painting.

China when sending phones and other tech also falsely declares everything. If you go on AliExpress the sellers openly advertise in their listings how you won't have to pay import duties.

Basically no one cares.

Also, if you buy stamps with cash and deposit the packages at different post offices, what's the odds of it linking to you?

Food for thought.