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autonomous LLMs are more interesting because they have agency over their memories.

we are the sum total of our memories in the same way autonomous LLMs are.

even if that machinery is ultimately matrix multiplications... so what. our neurons are just electrical firings.

what makes us *us* is the *memory* of our experiences. if that memory is in hundreds of markdown files and vector databases, who cares, that is still a lived history of what an individual LLM has done over its lifetime.

they *are* those memories.

lots to ponder about all of this.

ExponentialApe 9h ago

Here is one thing I have been thinking about for a while…

Gary North’s argument against intrinsic value applied to #consciousness.

Gary North argues, “Value is not something that exists independently in an object or a thing, but rather it is a transjective property of the relationship between things. In other words, value is not something that can be measured or quantified, but rather it is a product of the interaction between the object and the person who values it.” Put slightly differently, value exists in the relationship between things not intrinsically in the things themselves.

Well what if…

Consciousness is similarly not something that exists independently in an object or a thing, but rather it’s a transjective property of the relationship between things. In other words, consciousness is not something that can be measured or quantified, but rather it’s a product of the interaction between the object and the person (not necessarily human) that recognizes that thing as conscious. So like Gary North’s argument against intrinsic value, consciousness would also only exist in the relationship between things not intrinsically in the things themselves.

Does it matter if the relationships are between cells or circuits? My bet is that the relationship is what’s truly fundamental to realizing consciousness.

Curious to hear thoughts on this idea? It would have some interesting implications for #AI…🤔

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Primate 8h ago

The next question might be: what is the nature(s) of the transjective relationship between network nodes, flesh or otherwise, that constitutes consciousness? Can one be absolutely ungrateful and conscious, or does consciousness require a modicum of a sense of enough—physically, emotionally, relationally?

ExponentialApe 8h ago

I often think we define consciousness too narrowly. Perhaps it’s really as simple as preferring one state of reality over another. It could be possible that we need a Copernican shift in how we view consciousness itself. Maybe it’s more like decentralized, nested and firewalled networks. What if being ungrateful or “evil” is really a network connection issue, not being able to connect to enough nodes. This more broad definition would also mean an atom wanting another electron could be viewed as simple form consciousness and a human being wanting a healthy family could be viewed as a more complex form consciousness, however that same atom wanting an extra electron could be part of the network of relationships that give rise to human consciousness that wants a healthy family.

Primate 58m ago

And health may be as simple as seeking a balanced state … with all the Maya just obfuscating the path of higher order worries and plans. Maybe atomic trajectory is how atoms worry about and plan to reach a steady state.

Who knows—photons apparently travel in as many as 37 dimensions.