Failure to execute a plan means there was a plan in the first place, which means two parties conspired to form the plan. Just because it failed, doesn't mean the intent wasn't there.

That's the entirety of my point. I don't disagree that you can opt out, I am challenging the idea that there's no "man behind the curtain" when 9/10 times there's a man behind the curtain.

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If the plan can fail, then they’re not really controlling the world. And it’s not a man behind a curtain. It’s a group of many individual men that are following their own self interests trying to gain power and control. Governments don’t actually exist. They cannot be proven to exist because they cannot be seen, touched, smelt, tasted, or heard. What you really experience is individual men using violence and deception to control people. The individuals have different goals and interests. Sometimes they align and other times they do not. This is why they use different methods to try and get power and control.

I just disagree that there is one guy behind a current like the wizard of oz pulling the strings and controlling the world. It’s far too complex for something like that.

Agree on all points. It's not one guy, it's groups of people.

Sure, I get that. It's just that there is a big, big limit on how much they can direct and for how long.

And, 'they' or 'the man behind the curtain' is never a singular entity but multiple entities competing with each other in a zero-sum game. Very likely miserable folks who have to look behind their shoulders all the time.

Also, at one point, the 'curtain' will simply disappear if you follow the incentives and causalities. Things will become so obvious that it becomes boring.

The rest of us, peacefully co-operating with each other, are participating in a game that is the opposite of zero sum. We can just work around the obstacles these power-hungry maniacs place in front of us.

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Conspiracies are real bull, but going down this line of thinking can be psychologically damaging. I’ve been there, it’s a fucking miserable and hopeless place. Think about how hard it is to control one person. No matter how much money and power you have, controlling people gets infinitely more complicated as the number of people grows. Even if you use fear and celebrities, there are people who stood up bravely and celebrities that pushed back. Otherwise, what’s the point of living? If they can control everything, why not just end it now and off yourself? I’m not saying you should kill yourself, but why continue living in a world like this? Why are you wasting your time fighting back and trying to wake people up on nostr? If people can be woken up then their nudge points are not flawless.

I think nostr:nprofile1qqsrhnzkx2jww5y48gspd7v34kx2avvvuafhhqhjtc3vp0fmjqpa3wqpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcqgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctc0w52sw you and I can agree that as long as the state exists, there'll always be some group trying pull some nonsensical schemes that is just evil.

Not saying that everyone within the state right now has bad intentions.

But just echoing wisdom from enlightenment era thinkers like Lord Acton: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.