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You’re a smart guy and you do your research. I respect that. But humans have free will. We can always choose to act differently. I’ve seen people make dramatic changes based on meaningful events like a near death experience or loss of a loved one. These things break those predictive algorithms and experiments they run. This is why these things are not enough to start up a business and become extremely rich off it. A lot of factors come into play. You can’t reproduce apple for example. If these nudge units worked with great accuracy, you could use them for a lot more profitable things that require less moving parts. Why couldn’t they predict how bad doge would be for Elon and Tesla? There is a country where cops were attacking farmers and the farmers built guns at home and killed them then took their guns and are now fighting back. I don’t remember the name of the country but I’m sure you heard about it. Why couldn’t they predict that? I’ve argued about this sort of thing with people before and it’s frustrating because there is no grounded position. If things go wrong, it’s part of the plan and a learning experience. If things go right, then their predictions work. I think nostr:npub1xnc64f432zx7pw4n7zrvf02mh4a4p7zej3gude52e92leqmw8ntqd43qnl knows the Mises position on this and how we can’t truly predict human behavior. It’s from human action.

And what do you mean that blockstream came through? What did they do? Why didn’t they shut down bitcoin before it became sufficiently decentralized? Why didn’t they predict it will weaken their power?

sachin 8mo ago

Regularly talking to people who are completely tuned out of politics is a great exercise for the sake of sanity.

Psyops do exist, but outside the world of headlines, they either fail or are non-existent.

There's a wide world out there with people who are simply unbothered, moisturized, happy, in their lane, focused, flourishing.

Besides, there are certain forces in human societies that even the most powerful and intelligent cannot comprehend or understand. They never can and they never will.

Touching grass, staying humble, stacking sats and having fun is a perfectly alright way to go about life.

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Sovereign Being 8mo ago

Failure to execute a plan means there was a plan in the first place, which means two parties conspired to form the plan. Just because it failed, doesn't mean the intent wasn't there.

That's the entirety of my point. I don't disagree that you can opt out, I am challenging the idea that there's no "man behind the curtain" when 9/10 times there's a man behind the curtain.

MAHDOOD 8mo ago

If the plan can fail, then they’re not really controlling the world. And it’s not a man behind a curtain. It’s a group of many individual men that are following their own self interests trying to gain power and control. Governments don’t actually exist. They cannot be proven to exist because they cannot be seen, touched, smelt, tasted, or heard. What you really experience is individual men using violence and deception to control people. The individuals have different goals and interests. Sometimes they align and other times they do not. This is why they use different methods to try and get power and control.

I just disagree that there is one guy behind a current like the wizard of oz pulling the strings and controlling the world. It’s far too complex for something like that.

Sovereign Being 8mo ago

Agree on all points. It's not one guy, it's groups of people.

sachin 8mo ago

Sure, I get that. It's just that there is a big, big limit on how much they can direct and for how long.

And, 'they' or 'the man behind the curtain' is never a singular entity but multiple entities competing with each other in a zero-sum game. Very likely miserable folks who have to look behind their shoulders all the time.

Also, at one point, the 'curtain' will simply disappear if you follow the incentives and causalities. Things will become so obvious that it becomes boring.

The rest of us, peacefully co-operating with each other, are participating in a game that is the opposite of zero sum. We can just work around the obstacles these power-hungry maniacs place in front of us.

MAHDOOD 8mo ago

Yes! 🎯

Conspiracies are real bull, but going down this line of thinking can be psychologically damaging. I’ve been there, it’s a fucking miserable and hopeless place. Think about how hard it is to control one person. No matter how much money and power you have, controlling people gets infinitely more complicated as the number of people grows. Even if you use fear and celebrities, there are people who stood up bravely and celebrities that pushed back. Otherwise, what’s the point of living? If they can control everything, why not just end it now and off yourself? I’m not saying you should kill yourself, but why continue living in a world like this? Why are you wasting your time fighting back and trying to wake people up on nostr? If people can be woken up then their nudge points are not flawless.

sachin 8mo ago

I think nostr:nprofile1qqsrhnzkx2jww5y48gspd7v34kx2avvvuafhhqhjtc3vp0fmjqpa3wqpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcqgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctc0w52sw you and I can agree that as long as the state exists, there'll always be some group trying pull some nonsensical schemes that is just evil.

Not saying that everyone within the state right now has bad intentions.

But just echoing wisdom from enlightenment era thinkers like Lord Acton: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.