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They may not work out the way the plan a lot of the time, but they have contingency plans for when they don't.

We're only halfway to 2030, are people renting their property now more than ever? Phones, laptops, cars, houses and even their money, via credit? I would say we are trending in the direction of those goals, absolutely.

Have they been adding mealworms and such to existing foods, hiding it behind not so obvious labels? Yup, and it's not slowing down either. People will be eating bugs and not even realize it.

The growth of electric cars is continuing, maybe not specifically where you are, but it's growing steadily every year.

What was accomplished with COVID? Well, firstly, the trillions they stole. Secondly was further banking restrictions, primarily on withdrawing cash. Then is the aftermath of all the shots which will continue to affect people for years to come. They trialled vaccine passports in certain locales, these are preemptive practices in order to determine how to approach this in the future based on how people responded. This is what the nudge units study and then advise on, or what they do at WEF meetings.

Digital IDs and passports are just around the corner, and these are the Trojan horse people weren't expecting when it comes to vaccine passports.

You can't tell me they didn't expect any pushback. Perhaps not to the level we have seen, but they obviously foresaw that there would be resistance. Their tactic at the time was to use the usual means to demonize those people, like jailing them, shutting their businesses and firing them, and closing their bank accounts in order to force submission.

Government's WERE unilaterally aligned, that's how everyone adopted the same WHO guidelines, 6ft distancing, masking, injections, staying at home, using the police to terrorise people and using celebrities to convince them that their tyranny was necessary. Exactly as rehearsed in their exercises. The few that weren't aligned had their leaders killed off, about 5 or 6 of them.

These people aren't smarter, they are unable to experience emotions, literal psychopaths. So they will engage in any underhanded tactics necessary to feel powerful.

With regards to Bitcoin, that one almost got through. Then blockstream and institutions came along to set the narrative, now we have a store of value that even the fed doesn't consider a threat anymore.

70% of the population will always be used against the 15-20% because they will adopt whatever the prevailing narrative is. But the fact remains that these people absolutely sat and planned this all out, with multiple outcomes and solutions to those. That's what they get paid to do, and that is the definition of conspiracy.

MAHDOOD 8mo ago

You’re a smart guy and you do your research. I respect that. But humans have free will. We can always choose to act differently. I’ve seen people make dramatic changes based on meaningful events like a near death experience or loss of a loved one. These things break those predictive algorithms and experiments they run. This is why these things are not enough to start up a business and become extremely rich off it. A lot of factors come into play. You can’t reproduce apple for example. If these nudge units worked with great accuracy, you could use them for a lot more profitable things that require less moving parts. Why couldn’t they predict how bad doge would be for Elon and Tesla? There is a country where cops were attacking farmers and the farmers built guns at home and killed them then took their guns and are now fighting back. I don’t remember the name of the country but I’m sure you heard about it. Why couldn’t they predict that? I’ve argued about this sort of thing with people before and it’s frustrating because there is no grounded position. If things go wrong, it’s part of the plan and a learning experience. If things go right, then their predictions work. I think nostr:npub1xnc64f432zx7pw4n7zrvf02mh4a4p7zej3gude52e92leqmw8ntqd43qnl knows the Mises position on this and how we can’t truly predict human behavior. It’s from human action.

And what do you mean that blockstream came through? What did they do? Why didn’t they shut down bitcoin before it became sufficiently decentralized? Why didn’t they predict it will weaken their power?

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sachin 8mo ago

Regularly talking to people who are completely tuned out of politics is a great exercise for the sake of sanity.

Psyops do exist, but outside the world of headlines, they either fail or are non-existent.

There's a wide world out there with people who are simply unbothered, moisturized, happy, in their lane, focused, flourishing.

Besides, there are certain forces in human societies that even the most powerful and intelligent cannot comprehend or understand. They never can and they never will.

Touching grass, staying humble, stacking sats and having fun is a perfectly alright way to go about life.

Sovereign Being 8mo ago

Failure to execute a plan means there was a plan in the first place, which means two parties conspired to form the plan. Just because it failed, doesn't mean the intent wasn't there.

That's the entirety of my point. I don't disagree that you can opt out, I am challenging the idea that there's no "man behind the curtain" when 9/10 times there's a man behind the curtain.

MAHDOOD 8mo ago

If the plan can fail, then they’re not really controlling the world. And it’s not a man behind a curtain. It’s a group of many individual men that are following their own self interests trying to gain power and control. Governments don’t actually exist. They cannot be proven to exist because they cannot be seen, touched, smelt, tasted, or heard. What you really experience is individual men using violence and deception to control people. The individuals have different goals and interests. Sometimes they align and other times they do not. This is why they use different methods to try and get power and control.

I just disagree that there is one guy behind a current like the wizard of oz pulling the strings and controlling the world. It’s far too complex for something like that.

Sovereign Being 8mo ago

Agree on all points. It's not one guy, it's groups of people.

sachin 8mo ago

Sure, I get that. It's just that there is a big, big limit on how much they can direct and for how long.

And, 'they' or 'the man behind the curtain' is never a singular entity but multiple entities competing with each other in a zero-sum game. Very likely miserable folks who have to look behind their shoulders all the time.

Also, at one point, the 'curtain' will simply disappear if you follow the incentives and causalities. Things will become so obvious that it becomes boring.

The rest of us, peacefully co-operating with each other, are participating in a game that is the opposite of zero sum. We can just work around the obstacles these power-hungry maniacs place in front of us.

MAHDOOD 8mo ago

Yes! 🎯

Conspiracies are real bull, but going down this line of thinking can be psychologically damaging. I’ve been there, it’s a fucking miserable and hopeless place. Think about how hard it is to control one person. No matter how much money and power you have, controlling people gets infinitely more complicated as the number of people grows. Even if you use fear and celebrities, there are people who stood up bravely and celebrities that pushed back. Otherwise, what’s the point of living? If they can control everything, why not just end it now and off yourself? I’m not saying you should kill yourself, but why continue living in a world like this? Why are you wasting your time fighting back and trying to wake people up on nostr? If people can be woken up then their nudge points are not flawless.

sachin 8mo ago

I think nostr:nprofile1qqsrhnzkx2jww5y48gspd7v34kx2avvvuafhhqhjtc3vp0fmjqpa3wqpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcqgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctc0w52sw you and I can agree that as long as the state exists, there'll always be some group trying pull some nonsensical schemes that is just evil.

Not saying that everyone within the state right now has bad intentions.

But just echoing wisdom from enlightenment era thinkers like Lord Acton: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Sovereign Being 8mo ago

Yes, these people aren't superhuman and don't have predictive capabilities beyond what other humans do, though they do have insights into behaviour that most of us don't, so it is possible to predict more likely outcomes. Not always, but sometimes.

We don't need to dissect the munitia of the points being made when you are indirectly conceding that plans were made without the knowledge of the general public against the interests of the public. How high up the chain and across the world the organisation happens can be debated, but the fact that there are levels of coordination happening all the time is indisputable from what I can see.

The intent may not be exactly what we think it is, but the outcomes are largely aligned. Everyone that gets involved stands to benefit in one way or another.

Take the climate stuff for example. You have a handful of scientists selected as the mouthpieces to be the experts who are paraded around to tell everyone how bad things are and how we "must act now". Politicians now act to appease a brainwashed population, most of which (politicians) also believe the "experts" and therefore think they are acting in good faith. They get their friends who run net zero startups funding to create solutions. Then some attend a meeting of politicians from around the world to make further plans to tackle the crisis. They start receiving donations from corporations and they become wealthy, in exchange for offering them government contracts and grants to solve this crisis.

Now we have incentives to bend the truth to continue getting richer. Maybe trial a 15 minute city? Another tax on driving? Restrict what foods people can eat by limiting access by culling healthy animals? Have people buy the cars they give grants for, when it objectively solves nothing.

Eventually people including other experts start pushing back and challenging the basis for these measures. But now it's too late, it has already become a trillion dollar industry and a cult that cannot be questioned. Published papers are pulled, papers challenging the status quo are rejected from journals because the findings are uncomfortable. Those involved anywhere in the scheme now have an interest to protect, because they depend on the industry in order to put food on the table. Doesn't matter whether it's real or not at this point.

The overwhelming majority isn't involved in some mass conspiracy, even though an entire sector is a scam. The basis for this scam had to be planned at some point, and then human self interest did the rest.

MAHDOOD 8mo ago

All valid points but this sector is not sustainable and will eventually die. You can’t brute force your way around reality.

Sovereign Being 8mo ago

Unlikely to happen in our lifetimes, but I agree that truth ultimately prevails. People have become so committed to this idea that even sacrificing others for the greater good of protecting the planet is justified in their eyes. As long as fiat is around, they can create all sorts of artificial problems and sustain them for decades, also with a largely indoctrinated population to use for their interests. Some of us are just early at identifying a falsehood, despite most people subscribing to it.

MAHDOOD 8mo ago

I might be younger than you so I anticipate it’ll happen in my lifetime. But I admit that clown world can extend longer than we imagine. The important thing is that we both agree it’ll eventually die. It can’t go on forever. Which is another important point, there are laws of economics and reality that cannot be brute forced by anyone no matter how big the curtain is 🤝

Sovereign Being 8mo ago

I'm only 40, hopefully I'm around to see it come down. I think a possible catalyst will be overunity, and that will dismantle not only the climate and energy scam, but also the physics we have so severely been misled on.