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You’re a smart guy and you do your research. I respect that. But humans have free will. We can always choose to act differently. I’ve seen people make dramatic changes based on meaningful events like a near death experience or loss of a loved one. These things break those predictive algorithms and experiments they run. This is why these things are not enough to start up a business and become extremely rich off it. A lot of factors come into play. You can’t reproduce apple for example. If these nudge units worked with great accuracy, you could use them for a lot more profitable things that require less moving parts. Why couldn’t they predict how bad doge would be for Elon and Tesla? There is a country where cops were attacking farmers and the farmers built guns at home and killed them then took their guns and are now fighting back. I don’t remember the name of the country but I’m sure you heard about it. Why couldn’t they predict that? I’ve argued about this sort of thing with people before and it’s frustrating because there is no grounded position. If things go wrong, it’s part of the plan and a learning experience. If things go right, then their predictions work. I think nostr:npub1xnc64f432zx7pw4n7zrvf02mh4a4p7zej3gude52e92leqmw8ntqd43qnl knows the Mises position on this and how we can’t truly predict human behavior. It’s from human action.

And what do you mean that blockstream came through? What did they do? Why didn’t they shut down bitcoin before it became sufficiently decentralized? Why didn’t they predict it will weaken their power?

Yes, these people aren't superhuman and don't have predictive capabilities beyond what other humans do, though they do have insights into behaviour that most of us don't, so it is possible to predict more likely outcomes. Not always, but sometimes.

We don't need to dissect the munitia of the points being made when you are indirectly conceding that plans were made without the knowledge of the general public against the interests of the public. How high up the chain and across the world the organisation happens can be debated, but the fact that there are levels of coordination happening all the time is indisputable from what I can see.

The intent may not be exactly what we think it is, but the outcomes are largely aligned. Everyone that gets involved stands to benefit in one way or another.

Take the climate stuff for example. You have a handful of scientists selected as the mouthpieces to be the experts who are paraded around to tell everyone how bad things are and how we "must act now". Politicians now act to appease a brainwashed population, most of which (politicians) also believe the "experts" and therefore think they are acting in good faith. They get their friends who run net zero startups funding to create solutions. Then some attend a meeting of politicians from around the world to make further plans to tackle the crisis. They start receiving donations from corporations and they become wealthy, in exchange for offering them government contracts and grants to solve this crisis.

Now we have incentives to bend the truth to continue getting richer. Maybe trial a 15 minute city? Another tax on driving? Restrict what foods people can eat by limiting access by culling healthy animals? Have people buy the cars they give grants for, when it objectively solves nothing.

Eventually people including other experts start pushing back and challenging the basis for these measures. But now it's too late, it has already become a trillion dollar industry and a cult that cannot be questioned. Published papers are pulled, papers challenging the status quo are rejected from journals because the findings are uncomfortable. Those involved anywhere in the scheme now have an interest to protect, because they depend on the industry in order to put food on the table. Doesn't matter whether it's real or not at this point.

The overwhelming majority isn't involved in some mass conspiracy, even though an entire sector is a scam. The basis for this scam had to be planned at some point, and then human self interest did the rest.

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All valid points but this sector is not sustainable and will eventually die. You can’t brute force your way around reality.

Unlikely to happen in our lifetimes, but I agree that truth ultimately prevails. People have become so committed to this idea that even sacrificing others for the greater good of protecting the planet is justified in their eyes. As long as fiat is around, they can create all sorts of artificial problems and sustain them for decades, also with a largely indoctrinated population to use for their interests. Some of us are just early at identifying a falsehood, despite most people subscribing to it.

I might be younger than you so I anticipate it’ll happen in my lifetime. But I admit that clown world can extend longer than we imagine. The important thing is that we both agree it’ll eventually die. It can’t go on forever. Which is another important point, there are laws of economics and reality that cannot be brute forced by anyone no matter how big the curtain is 🤝

I'm only 40, hopefully I'm around to see it come down. I think a possible catalyst will be overunity, and that will dismantle not only the climate and energy scam, but also the physics we have so severely been misled on.