Demand exists? I’ve pitched it to the nostr community some year ago and got mostly lukewarm replies
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YES.
Lol this threads a bit of a novel at this point 🤣
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Ok, I’ll take it as no 🤣
Nostr.build with an rss integration would move the needle getting more nostriches to fully utilize the power of pc2.0
Hell even just an audio optimized hosting solution would be super cool!
Haha, I think your comment got lost in the hell thread.
This is what I think is needed, anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.
🔹Audio uploading & optimization for streaming.
Musicians can upload their source files and have it converted to mp3 or m4a, possibly preserving the source files as well.
🔹An RSS feed supporting podcasting 2.0
This lets the user add their songs easily to podcasting/demu apps. It would need a way to edit the metadata for the feed and the uploaded files.
Am I missing anything here nostr:nprofile1qqs00y32ptdnlfxa5hhv4f30dalwv9vl0a27pqpkdpkx3cyrstp50zqpzamhxue69uhkx6rpv3nzumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcprpmhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tchypkm2 nostr:nprofile1qqsgufllkhymhrxaqyc6meh05jw4d4qpk4pym87lnf37qax4y7c8zhqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhspn8459 ?
An auto conversion to mp3 would be amazing. Im weary of optimization sometimes... would it affect audio quality? That's first and foremost. I like the option to have it on or off like you have for the photo optimization.
The second one, nostr.build could certainly host rss files. Agree, the ability to edit is big but we would also need some way to push a notification that theres been a new feed created or an update. Its been done so the code is likely out there. The PC2.0 guys use a function called podping. I think they use it over IRC or something idk how it works but there are those around who might. Looking at nostr:nprofile1qqszxgvrzkpasudhvdjx3anl77qxse5wd6eunndmyv9x63uwnpn09mgpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcpzfmhxue69uhkummnw3e82efwvdhk6tcgt4a3x maybe?
unless they compress it down to 64Kbps probably not.
also no podping uses a shitty blockchain.
But bro it's got blockchain 😂
it's a shitty blockchain so I will make my own newer blockchain that will be 10x faster and infinitely less shit 😂
they could just switch to Nostr but where's the fun in that when you can use blockchain???
Lol I didn't realize it was a shitcoin tool. Its always just worked.
I thought it just pinged the podcast index to trigger it to refresh or something. Why do shitcons ruin everything?
It writes data to the Hive blockchain a la OP_RETURN saying "this podcast was updated". "amazing" solution 😂
Podping does use the hive blockchain to store podcasting 2.0 updates. It serves its purpose and has for years and even Fountain uses it to put data. It's a fast chain so it transmits the info in seconds.
nostr:npub13cnlldwfhwxd6qf34hnwlfya2m2qrd2zfk0alxnrup6d2fasw9wqxwkzpe there are several ways to trigger it and you've seen it fine in the irc but sovereignfeeds also has it built in.
The way I see it, if this "token" is providing a utility thats being used in the real world, then it has value. At the end of thebday its just another way of transmitting data. Maybe underlying architecture is ugly but it works and it works well. At least a bit less shitty than some other shitcoins ive stepped in before. How is this fundamentally any diff than sending a packet of data any other way? I'd maybe place it as shitcoiny as a stable coin or something idk.
Whatever, it works and no one thats using it for utility is trading the token as far as I know.
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yeah, you upload and wait like we used to.
there is some websub thing that this replaced
its just a service to tell people you uploaded a new episode people
Nostr fixes this. Just push a note. Maybe someone can write a NIP that pushes a specific note that signals the index theres been an update and tells it whay to update (whatever data is previously transmitted stays the same. Same car different road). The index just watches for that specific NIP instead of podping
Can we short podcasts on a De-Fi app yet?
My proposed solution
Simple is good 😂
Step 1 - take something
Step 2 - cross out a part
Step 3 - write "nostr"
Step 4 - ???
Step 5 - PROFIT
Yes bring me to step 5 please. I heard it’s Uptober 💰
i couldnt help myself
😂😂
Just add nostr. Nostr fixes everything.
Toast too cold? Add nostr.
Need a bodyguard? Add nostr.
Wife too ugly? Add nostr.
Hit me with your best shot.
Too late to bitcoin? Add nostr
Too early to Bitcoin? Add nostr
Bitcoin doesn’t fix it? Add nostr
Oh I have no idea how podping works. I just know ppl type shit into ICQ sometimes and feeds show up.
I see two options for publishing to the RSS
websub - used by a lot of existing web properties already
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebSub
And podping - it's attached to some web3 💩coin called hive 😬
https://github.com/Podcastindex-org/podping
Podcasting 2.0 docs
Podping replaces websub.
Websub you need to constantly poll the feed to see if it updated.
Podping you say "hey this updated" and everyone using that system knows.
But we have such a tiny demand, I cannot possibly justify wasting another minute on things that are barely used. I spent a ton on analytics (almost unused), setting moderation headers (unused by any of the clients), and many other things just to have them not used with days/weeks of wasted time and money. I really do not see demand, we have so few people and so little usage of any “advanced” features.
Yeah this I understand. Slow growth leaves little room for stuff like this.
It might not be the time now. This DeMu thing need time to grow still. Hopefully in the future it will expand to the point of being worthwhile.
Thanks for the attention anyways. I'll be keeping an eye on it and will harass you again sometime in the future 😂🫡
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There are a lot of features people look at and want but never use in reality.
A good chunk of nostr.land users don't even use the aggregator or claim their NIP-05 name even if they don't use it as the primary (the name will also be used for other things)
Same on the nostr.build side
I've never looked at the land nip-05. Thanks for the reminder.
What is it useful for other than the obvious nip05 uses?
ID on that same site, just one nym with no @
something related to subdomains 👀
I just tried to set it up.
I click sign with extension, I approved it, the button dims, but nothing happens 🤔
Odd. Should work now.
There, after I refreshed the page and entered my npub it showed as active 👍
Thanks semi.
I dont disagree with this in that hosting solutions is a relatively small optimization in the overall workflow when we have larger fish to fry. But its worth a shot to set one thing in motion if it doesn't take away from other efforts elsewhere.
Everything takes away from something, there is no free lunch
Any task no matter how simple has a fixed cost (tracking it, context switch, ...)
Im not talking in economic terms. I simply mean we can build shit faster if we all do it together at once knowing its eventually needed
I guess that is true, but work like service/client integrations take time from both sides. Implementing podcasts in Nostr.build currently would have to take away time from more important improvements, while benefiting less users than those improvements
Yeah im not arguing for you to drop more important priorities and honestly I dont think nostr.build should implement podcasts, just support whats required on hosting. The rest is just fluff. Do one thing and do it well.
You guys host basically all of nostra media. Keep focusing on that. Bare min to get demu really going on nostr just needs you to support essential features like the ability to host audio files and rss files (which it does already)
My point in all this here is to show you guys theres a lot already in motion and the massive potential/untapped market. Your product sits in one of the essential corners of this ecosystem. Just heads up and house call to see if theres anything you guys can do to move this forward with us. If yes, cool, if not, maybe later. All good, this is freedom tech.
fwiw, there is already support for uploading MP3, (and for paid) WAV and FLAC, and the API can be easily used for thid
for reencoding audio, this can be done in browser efficiently, and this way creator can pick the lowest bitrate with good quality for their specific usecase
Definitely not for nothing.
As nostr integrated demu apps start shipping, I hope they look at the features nostr.build already offer and integrate it too
Depends from what perspective. You working on hosting doesnt materially take away from Derek working on streaming.
Many similar such efforts have been set in motion today. Remember the early days of nostr apps cranking out seemingly daily? Back when we were all bullshit on pablo?
I feel a similar bubbling beginning today in the demu space on nostr.
Currently hosting really isn't an issue in PC 2.0 and if no one wants to use Nostr then they won't be interested in Nostr.build either. We're not going full Nostr and I don't know how much we will add. The lightning wallet solutions Nostr provides are what we're after currently because that's what we need but building solutions for people to host content and build RSS feeds so apps can surface that content were game for.
I'm also not that familiar with Nostr.build but if we need a hosting service you'll be top of mind.
I think most people just host their media on their websites currently.
Podcasters are used to hosting their own stuff either on their own or using a hosting provider so that's all just transferred over to the music stuff as well since music is just an extension of PC 2.0.
People around here just stopped using Spotifys Anchor hosting for their podcast within the last years btw.
I think its important to recognize theres two important goals that are sort of intertwined as one begets the other so even if we have positive movement in only one direction, a high tide floats all boats.
1. Podcasters need an upgrade to the current feature set which nostr tech may be able to provide (relays, identity etc) while maintaining backwards compatibility
2. Nostriches need to start getting into demu! But the current implementations are largely incompatible with what nostr is using and moving towards (keysend vs lnurl/nwc).
While podcasters may not need a change in hosting solution, having a nostr native product thats already seamlessly integrated into nostr would be massive for achieving #2. Just like Dell computers shipped with windows, amythest and most other clients ship with nostr.build baked in as the default.
If we drive nostr adoption of demu, that is a huge untapped market thats already mostly on board and dont know it. The podcasters will see theres movement there and that its worth looking into again, driving more adoption or re-adoption. And that starts the flywheel.
Not seeing demand =/= there is no demand.
You have to understand whats happening right now.
There are two very similar ecosystems, connected initially only through usage of lightning payments via keysend... are colliding.
The podcasting 2.0 world realized they could selfhost music via rss and found lightning as a payment rail via keysend boosts. Whereas Nostr created lightning zaps and primarily uses lnurl today.
These two worlds are very similar and have very similar ethos but are using entirely different communication layers. Podcastinf 2.0 comes from the massive podcasting world thatbhas been amassing users for 25 years. They have been searching for solutions that I know nostr cam provide.
But its chicken or the egg. Which comes first? Without the tools, they won't come to nostr or care. So you don't hear the demand. But they are very much out there.
All that said, hosting is not the biggest issue right now. We need to come to a gentleman's agreement with the PC2.0 crowd as to how we somewhatbstandardize zaps/boosts and move fwd together as one larger community
And why am I so passionate on this? Because there are tens of thousands of insanely talented musicians out there struggling to eat because they have no proper meals of monetization without fear of censorship or rugpulls. Nostr + rss + bitcoin fixes this but only if all 3 are aligned. Many families and livelihoods depend on this. Real music culture depends on this (unless you like ai slop)... because the industry is dying fast.
Its all a lot bigger than just some features really.
Just to throw some extra work in there… some way of BUYING an mp3 or wav with sats would be cool.
“You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy” I think Mr Nakamoto once said… The day will come when Spotify rugs peoples’ music collections and it will be moderately lol imo.
Since feeds are publicly hosted you can technically download them for free. That's just part of v4v.
The RSS spec also allows for a funding tag where you can essentially link a fiat payment rail like PayPal. But you cam also utilize it to link to a merch page or download my song for x sats webpage or whatever.
Ah of course, hadn’t considered that.
It’s worth taking a look at FairCamp. Whilst, unfortunately, the dev is very anti btc, as a simple landing page for musicians it’s pretty cool.
This thread could rival nostr:nprofile1qqsvlca5x9keq5e4km8q26aqas3skkr6xdpcr6ptlxsz5xz095rglrgpz4mhxue69uh5yetkduhxummnw3erztnrdakszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9emkjmn9qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvurc4ss 's hell threads in length.
Speaking of, haven't seen her around in a long time. You alright girl???
Hiya, yeah I’m ok just busy with work and wildlife issues.
Thanks for checking in 🙏💜🫂
DeMu a few years ago was still finding its feet and nostr had no idea about it outside of wavlake. Wavlake does hosting for you so there was no demand for it. But things have changed significantly since then. Decentralization and a demand for more self sovereign options is rising. With that comes the need for media hosting.
I believe nostr has only begun to open their eyes today.
