Nostr Web Client

Derek Ross 10mo ago 💬 42

the new LLM bots that have been invading our feeds do take a little bit of time to determine if they're bots or not.

this is partially because the owner sets them up manually and even creates a few notes manually.

i see you.

they're fairly easy to find and mute/block though.

here are some of the red flags that i've found:

STR in the name along with a nostr address with STR@iris.to or STR@coinos.io and coinos.io as their lightning address.

they'll have an introductions note, maybe boost a few other random notes, and then most of their notes are replies.

they are topic based. all replies follow a similar theme or topic.

some of them follow the same half a dozen people. this has recently changed though. the new ones follow random people, especially people that reply to their introductions note.

these bots will break WoT. be careful out there.

thanks for the thoughts on this nostr:npub16eumpaxffppswucpeysysrya9uk39j06d5gr2tsnf6cupq3f4jdqyft6jc

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SUPERMAX 10mo ago

Lots of primal bots too

Reposting of notes, npub has primal address and lightning@address, with little to zero notes besides GM

Also 🚩

Derek Ross 10mo ago

Good point. And a lot of these ones have invalid primal.net Nostr addresses. Using a client that shows if it's valid or not helps here.

aco 10mo ago

😳

SoapMiner 10mo ago

I've now started to vet everyone before zapping, unless I know you. 🤷

Moe 10mo ago

Same, just need to take a peek at the profile first.

metadavid 10mo ago

Kind of a shame. Hopefully we will see the extinction of bots and the rise of agents who actually provide value.

From what I can tell, these bots are trying to harvest sats, so I just don’t acknowledge them (other than muting them).

Derek Ross 10mo ago

yeah, sats farming is at all time high.

metadavid 10mo ago

thankfully computing power to run them isn't free, so if they go ignored and running them > the sats they make, they die off, haha

cadayton 10mo ago

It's the wild wild Nostr.🤣

Derek Ross 10mo ago

Truth. And it's up to us to build and protect it.

Ryan 10mo ago 💬 4

I see a lot of people following them, even reposting their notes 🤦‍♂️

Derek Ross 10mo ago

they're def getting harder to determine.

BitBees 10mo ago

And this is why I asked #nostr because I feel as if I have done that unthinkable deed!

Ryan 10mo ago

This new batch is much better, I can see why people aren't noticing. Hopefully devs can figure out a solution. This will break the effectiveness of WoT relays, the only thing that really helps so far.

Derek Ross 10mo ago

The worrying part is once they gain followers they can easily change content to more spam-like or worse and create a lot of issues for people that rely on WoT.

Ryan 10mo ago

💯 I'm assuming that's the plan ☝️

7fqx 10mo ago

I was wondering if the aim was to be deliberately annoying like reply*guy? Cos they are very annoying.

I think I've managed to block all of them by now tho. 😎

BitBees 10mo ago

I have taken to reposting that I recognize that the npub is a bot, but they have cleverly sidelined that by spinning up new npubs on the daily.

7fqx 10mo ago

I think they reply especially to bitcoin posts, let's see if we can fish for some and block them lol

Sats, stacking, Satoshi, hodl, utxo

Derek Ross 10mo ago

They rate limit I believe because they don't reply to all notes.

beejay 10mo ago

I don't talk about those things, and I still got a couple

beejay 10mo ago

Interacting with them breaks WoT. So I just don't.

bjorn 10mo ago

Can you point to a few?

Derek Ross 10mo ago

I can't tag them because I have them blocked 😂 the Zuckyboy profile that replied to my original note here is a bot. I just blocked it.

RedTailHawk 10mo ago

Tzongocu, CosmicWhispers, HiddenMind, MatchdayBuzz, PhantomFabric

Just make sure if you’re using Primal to mute these bot accounts that you do so on mobile Primal. The mute button for the PC browser version of Primal didn’t work for several weeks, and despite muting those accounts repeatedly, I kept getting follow churned by them.

Finally it occurred to me that something was broken on Primal’s PC browser version and tried it on mobile. That stopped the follow churn notifications.

beejay 10mo ago

Everything's broken on PrimaI for pc lol

Telluride 10mo ago

> these bots will break WoT. be careful out there.

I feel like this statement needs more clarity.

Derek Ross 10mo ago 💬 4

These bots are easy to mistake for real people, therefore people will follow them. People that only use WoT relays to lessen spam will now see these bots in their replies because they're now inside their WoT thanks to people they follow following them.

bjorn 10mo ago

Sounds like WoT algorithms need to be smarter

Derek Ross 10mo ago

Hmm. Perhaps I could add all of these bots to my WoT block list.

freemymind 🇨🇭 10mo ago

I think it is on us to be smarter.

bjorn 10mo ago

Not everyone on nostr will be smart about who they follow, or follow who you want them to follow. Algorithms need to assume that.

Derek Ross 10mo ago

A fix for WoT-Relay relays is in the works 🥹

ManiMe 10mo ago

GrapeRank Engine is an extensible algo for Nostr. It inputs “any” event kind from Nostr via “interpreter” plugins… which tell it how to process the event. These interpreters can be “added” together to form logic such as what Derek described above.

In this way, the more people use GrapeRank, the more interpreters it has available for it, the smarter it gets.

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Vertex 10mo ago

But eventually people start unfollowing and mutes increase right?

Derek Ross 10mo ago

Hopefully that's how it plays out.

Sacred Peak 10mo ago

I think I had one reply to me this morning. I figured it was an idiot. Either way, blocked. Thanks for the heads up.

Vertex 10mo ago

How does this break WoT ?

Patrick 10mo ago

People start following these accounts and that leads to the spammers being added to WoT relay trusted list and thus making on relays.

Vertex 10mo ago

That breaks crappy implementations - not WoT. If you quickly reflect negative signal then it works really well. That is why we have real time endpoints and push against cached WoT data.

beejay 10mo ago

And you can also tell because replies are lightning fast. I barely hit "Post" on a note before before I saw one had commented with a fairly long sentence. Not humanly possible.

Derek Ross 10mo ago

This is another good one 🔥