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me: monero is an awesome addition to bitcoin (it is), one for stacking, the other for private spending

the church of satoshi nakamoto of latter-day bitcoin saints:

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lol. not saying this about everyone, love my bitcoin fam, but it needs to be said that the 'toxic btc cult' reputation seems well earned for more than a few of you.

it's generally the one's who just parrot blanket 'btc is the saviour, everything else is a shitcoin' statements, don't speak with their own words, link to sources they don't really comprehend, think nostr is private, only recently learned why they need a vpn on the internet and don't actually understand how all this privacy stuff works.

harsh? yes. so have recent comments been. bring it. love the free speech.

again this is not for most of you #plebchain. most of you have level heads and still love bitcoin. i am an avid bitcoiner, but i don't drink the cool-aid and ignore it's shortcomings.

bitcoin is about freedom. privacy is essential for freedom. it is complicated to have privacy on a public ledger. bitcoin is an awesome store of value, but it needs a 2nd layer for greater privacy and to solve the fungibility problem. lightning is maturing. cashu is also maturing. monero solves the spend issue now with privacy baked in on a protocol level. it is currency. it's meant to be spent.

#cybersecgirl #privacytechpro #bitcoin #monero

I like Monero, it's good and gives what it promises. But I can't stop thinking it'll be easier to add an extra monero-like-privacy layer to BTC (say, on LN or not) than to move all the credibility and trajectory Bitcoin has to Monero.

Take it as an opinion of someone who can only grasp the basics of the tech involved. I know it's way more complicated than what I just said.

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wont disregard completely yet, but only as a tool and not as savings

It’s not a reasonable end stage privacy tool either. Using it would require an on chain footprint on both Bitcoin and Monero, and monero scales even worse than Bitcoin does.

People are free to do whatever they want but if people care about privacy and digital sound money they would understand the importance of a Bitcoin L2 solution.

thank you and noted ser

This is true. Privacy will always be a an arms race. Even offchain methods, like LN, aren't fool-proof. Encrypted data can be actively recorded by adversaries and kept to break in the future. Practically speaking, as long as privacy tech keeps progressing and gives old blockchain data privacy for long enough spans, it doesn't really matter if it can be broken in distant futures as the users will be long gone and the relatively recent data will be on better privacy tech.

The differences in scaling capabilities between Monero vs Bitcoin, or even Lightning, look the same from above when we're talking about 10s, 100s of millions or billions of users. None of them can get anywhere close to that.

If Bitcoin, in it's greater popularity and userbase, has time to figure it out, then so does Monero even more so.

There are solutions available *right now* that would easily scale both like MimbleWimble or DAGs. But that change is very unlikely to happen on Bitcoin...Monero on the other hand is more flexible with changes if/when need be. So it has that advantage.