nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqethhqukzyn3cng30wvjr03vl6hr3a34kddpqjhncmcvvhr64lc8szu665q > Cavalli-Sforza did a good job of covering this, but most likely those populations were offshoots from the same original modern human population in Europe.

Are you sure about this?

First, Cavalli-Sforza died in 2018, and, for as much as I admire his pioneering work in biology and antropology, methodologies have progressed quite a lot since the time he was a researcher (most of his findings were based on analyses of blood groups, we’ve got way more things to look at nowadays).

Second, Cavalli-Sforza’s research was actually crucial in DISMANTLING the whole idea of racial diversity driven by genes. There’s a lot to talk about that, but consider this old The Economist article as a summary:

The work of Wilson, and of Luca Cavalli-Sforza, at Stanford University, who began looking at human genetic variation in the 1950s, has touched off a whole new field, and one that has extensive ramifications. It has revealed some surprisingly fine detail about human history. It challenges the assumption that there are significant genetic differences between human races and, indeed, the idea that “race” has any useful biological meaning at all. And it holds out the promise of identifying just what it is that makes humans human in the first place.

AND YET Palestinians and Jews remain distinct genetic groups.

Those groups share way more DNA than you think. Because both those groups share the same genetic and linguistic roots - the Semitic Arabian peninsula of the Bronze Age. They’ve been apart for 2000-3000 years at most, which is just yesterday in biological terms.

But we’re still missing the point here. The point is not that they should belong to the same land because they’re genetically or linguistically similar. The point is that Palestinians belong to that land because they have continuously inhabited that land at least since the time of the Ottoman Empire, while Jews have been away from it since at least the time of Tito’s diaspora in 71 AD. You wanna put Jews back in that land? Sure, as long as they behave as good neighbours moving back into a neighbourhood that may have changed a lot since they moved out as kids, and since the times of Solomon’s temple. Otherwise, there should be no place on this planet for arrogant bad neighbours.

AND YET we have a clear historical origin for Jews in Israel.

That is also wrong. Even according to their own sacred books, Jews moved to that land under Abraham. And Abraham was a settler of Ur, in today’s Iraq. According to the myth, he moved there because his imaginary friend told him to do so. The same imaginary friend who also ordered early Jews to slaughter Philistines and Canaanites - populations that are clearly mentioned in the Old Testament as being there before the Jews moved in.

Since in the past few years there’s also been a lot of genetic and cultural research into those mysterious Philistines, we’ve also managed to pinpoint when those folks lived and where they were from - they were most likely members of the “Sea People” mentioned around the time of the Late Bronze Age collapse (~1200 BC), and they most likely came from Greece or Crete. So it’s likely that they settled in Palestine around that time. Since the Bible mentions them as populations that already lived there when the Jews moved in, we also have an earliest possible date for the settlment of Jews in Palestine - ~1100/1000 BC. That’s about 3000 years - which, again, on the scales of human evolution is like yesterday. There were no such thing as Jews there before that date. So the whole “clear historic origin” argument is literally out of the window.

And they also settled those lands until 71 AD, when Titus displaced them, and they didn’t go back there until the 1920s (so almost 2000 years).

So basically you’ve had continuous Jewish settlment in Palestine for little more than 1000 years.

For comparison, my Roman ancestors ruled over Greece from 146 BC until ~1000 AD (or until 1453 if you consider the final fall of Constantinople as the fall of the Byzantine empire). That’s comparable to the time that Palestine has been settled mainly by Jews. Does it mean that I can just walk into the house of someone in Athens tomorrow and kick him out, and bomb his neighbourhood or starve him to death if he refuses to move?

AND YET Palestinians genetically resemble Arab Semitic groups from Syria, Jordan, and Egypt the most.

Ok, this confirms that your idea of “resemblence” much more to do with a “are they brown enough, do they speak the same language and do they pray the same God?” rather than rigorous genetics.