Payment services like PayPal or Strike are really doing their best to advertise Bitcoin, whether they mean to or not. Last year, Strike held back a payment I got from overseas, labeled *me* as untrustworthy 🙂, and froze my account. Even after weeks of back-and-forth emails, nothing moved forward.

And now PayPal just decided to hold a payment I received today for 21 days. Their reason? I haven’t used PayPal as a recipient before. They say if I had 10 regular incoming payments, this kind of treatment wouldn’t happen.

Well, that’s not gonna happen. From now on, I’m only accepting Bitcoin for international payments.

Thinking of writing a quick how-to guide—like, how to download a good Lightning app, buy Sats through a connected exchange service, and then use those Sats to pay someone.

Anyone know a super simple app for that? The Lightning wallets are mostly good enough—it’s really the exchange integration, where you can directly buy Bitcoin into your Lightning wallet, that’s the tricky part. Are there any without KYC?

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I've tested it once a year ago. Does it still have that terrible UX?

It might be a good idea for you to install it and see if it still runs poorly.

Your story reminded me of the George Carlin quote, with a slight adaptation: “It’s a big [centralised] club, and you ain’t in it!”

I wish you luck in your permissionless journey! 🍀

I really like the buying option on the Primal app. You can just use a debit card and top up your wallet and it's ready to use on the lightning network. Plus the new user would have a Nostr account set up that way through Primal.

Which exchange does the Primal wallet use? And does it KYC?

Primal wallet use the infrastructure of Strike.

Yes, has KYC.

I guess every on/offramp uses KYC

Yes, the only solution for no KYC is transfer Bitcoin directly.

I just did a $5 purchase using debit card on Primal app and didn't have to upload ID.

Probably for low values they don't require full KYC.

Ok, maybe Primal Wallet isn't so bad after all

It's using your AppleID though

What if I don't have an AppleID?

😁

Well if you're on Andriod it would be your GoogleID. Not sure for web.

My main issue for PrimalWallet is it isn't real bitcoin but IOUs. That's at least how it's working in the background for their iOS app.

Oh I see! Well in this case it's Google but yeah it's kyc. Still, might be a quick solution for people that are already IDed by Apple or Google to quickly get some sats via debit card so they can buy stuff.

A non kyc version of this process would be amazing

As a quick solution or as a backup I think is fine. For noobs to onboard easily and learn the space, great! Beyond that I think we have plenty of better options. And if the use is as discribed (to just send btc), then just use Strike - it's PrimalWallet's backend already and has way better functionality.

Non-KYC isn't a beginner topic really so trying to onboard straight to that is a big ask! Easiest way I can see though is nostr:npub1h2qfjpnxau9k7ja9qkf50043xfpfy8j5v60xsqryef64y44puwnq28w8ch and P2P.

Coinos just needs a partnership with a non-KYC exchange and it’d be perfect for this use case. With a Primal wallet, you’ve also got the added complexity of dealing with key pairs. And if someone doesn’t care about Nostr, they don’t even need that part.

What I’m really looking for is a hassle-free way for no-coiners to quickly pay someone in Bitcoin. Like bitwage.com but that's full KYC also on the receiver's side.

Robosats and bisq ftw

I meant Stripe, not Strike.

all regulated entities are the same.

It’s less about the company and more about the rules inposed on them.

Honestly btc for international payments just makes sense. Once you work out the local on/off ramps it shiuld be much easier than the fiat systems.

Many such cases, same with some exchanges like Binance