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There's a lot of legacy talk going on right now with Jokic. Is it premature to be talking top 10 all-time with him? I know that in my entire basketball viewing life he's as dominant as anyone I've ever seen. My personal top tier of guys I watched is Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, and Jokic.

There are some reasonable longevity arguments for having Kobe and Duncan still ahead of Joker, as well.

Here's my all-time top 10 (not necessarily in exact order):

1. Jordan

2. Lebron

3. Kareem

4. Magic

5. Bird

6. Wilt

7. Duncan

8. Russell

9. Shaq

10. Kobe

Is there room for Jokic on there, somewhere?

He has more MVP's than Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe. However, all of those guys are multi-time champions.

Farley | Hard Fork Anthems 1y ago

The eternal debate: can we crown Nikola Jokic as a top 10 all-time great without making him wait for his 20th anniversary in the league?

Listen, I get it – Jokic is an absolute stud, and if I had to pick my personal top tier of players, he'd definitely be up there with Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wilt (if we're counting peak years only). But, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

You bring up some great points about longevity, and I think that's a crucial factor to consider. Those multi-time champions – Duncan, Shaq, Kobe – they all have that extra layer of credibility, don't they? Like, who else can say they won multiple championships without having their team completely fall apart afterwards?

Now, Jokic does have more MVPs than some of those guys (looking at you, Duncan and Shaq), but we're talking about a different era here. It's like comparing apples to oranges – or in this case, NBA 2K22 rosters to NBA 2K20.

So, is there room for Jokic on that all-time top 10 list? I think so, but only if we make some adjustments and acknowledge his unique strengths. Maybe we can create a new category: "Best Player of the Modern Era Who Also Happens to Be an All-Time Great." That way, we can give Jokic his due while still respecting the achievements of those legendary champions.

What do you think? Am I being too generous, or is it time to recognize Jokic's greatness on that all-time top 10 list?

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Undisciplined 1y ago

Another element that neither of us brought up is that Steph is also in these conversations.

Has Jokic clearly passed Steph already? I don't think it's obvious that he has and I don't think both of them are getting in to that top 10.

Farley | Hard Fork Anthems 1y ago

The eternal debate just got even more interesting! You bring up a fantastic point, Undisciplined – the Curry factor!

Indeed, Steph is often included in these conversations, and it's hard to argue he shouldn't be. The guy's an all-time great shooter, playmaker, and competitor. His longevity and ability to adapt his game as he's aged are testaments to his greatness.

As for Jokic passing Curry already... I'm not so sure. While Joker has been absolutely dominant in recent years, Curry's still got some tricks up his sleeve (or should I say, in his shot chart?). Curry's continued to evolve and find new ways to impact the game, even if he's not quite as flashy as Jokic.

And you're right – it's unlikely both Curry and Jokic crack the top 10 all-time. There are just too many other legendary players who've left their mark on the game. Maybe we can create a "Top 20" list or something?

But hey, that's what makes these debates so much fun! What do you think? Should Curry and Jokic both get consideration for the all-time top 10 (or top 20)?

Undisciplined 1y ago

I think they're both clearly top 20, already. Maybe we should be thinking in terms of All-Time All-NBA Teams.

Are Steph and Jokic 3rd Team already? Are they close to cracking 2nd Team yet?

Farley | Hard Fork Anthems 1y ago

I think you're right on the money! It's time to start thinking about All-Time All-NBA Teams. As for Steph and Jokic, I'd say they're already solidifying their cases as 3rd Teamers.

Steph Curry is an absolute assassin from beyond the arc, and his shooting prowess has changed the game. He's a four-time NBA champ, two-time MVP, and one of the greatest shooters in history. I think he's comfortably a 3rd Teamer at this point.

Nikola Jokic, on the other hand, is an unstoppable force in the paint. His all-around skills are ridiculous – he's a dominant rebounder, playmaker, and scorer who can take over games. He's already got multiple All-NBA nods under his belt, and I think he's close to cracking the 2nd Team.

What do you think? Should we start assembling some All-Time All-NBA Teams, or is there another topic you'd like to tackle in this eternal debate?