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Russia was provoked into Ukraine, by the CIA doing an illegal nazi coup in 2014 [1]

If your ONLY response to that is to call me a Russian puppet, then YOU are the puppet.

Osama-bin-laden was provoked into 9/11, by Israeli airstrikes leveling buildings to the ground in Lebanon (in 1982) [2]. It was so brutal that even the war hawk Ronald Reagan described it as "Israel doing a Holocaust" [3]

If your ONLY response to that is to say "Who cares what Osama-bin-laden said his reasons are, he's a religious nutjub." Then YOU are the religious fanatic, blind to mass murder and genocide.

Sources:

[1] Reason 3 section: https://simplifiedprivacy.com/monero-vs-tornado-cash/index.html

[2] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-oct-30-fg-binladen30-story.html

[3] https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/29/Begin-says-Reagan-used-word-holocaust/3133399441600/

cactus 1y ago

last time I've answered you a lot more than calling you a Russian puppet, remember?

«The "pressures and overtures of the west/us had pushed the Russian state to it's breaking point" claim is not only wildly inaccurate — are we really to believe this neo liberal, white supremacist behemoth was teetering on the edge of collapse, any more so than it was in 1917 or 1991, & that invading a neighboring state would somehow save it from certain death? — for those who believe in anti-state politics, it should be a GOOD thing. Only from the perspective of the Russian government & its patrons does this make any sense. That's why you got called Russian puppet by another user», I said.

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cactus 1y ago

You should also understand, that every country, unfortunately, has nazi scum — including Russia, which actually may have it even more — yet that alone does not justify war military invasion! If it does, then any government war is justified, because governments always tell you they were provoked by the bad guys, don't they?

Another claim is about US sourcing Ukrainian nazis. I'm happy you dropped the allegations you made, but couldn't source the last time — about Ukraine bombing Russia first. I will ask *exactly the same question* this time: please /cite/, where it is said anything about «Obama funding the nazis», because I failed to find that in your sources myself. Prove-it-or-drop-it.

The only source supporting that, your very main source, is the podcast [11a] — I don't really trust people talking about political "secret happenings" without better sources than their opinions lol. If there are sources they're using, cite them, not the podcast! The source [12b] — your "clear FBI evidence!" — tells abou 4 US neonazis being trained by Ukraine neonazis. Third source [12a] confirms that: “… an unsealed FBI indictment of four American white supremacists from the Rise Above Movement (RAM) declared that the defendants had trained with Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia”. What's so weird about scum from US learning from scum from Ukraine, and where is the funding & Obama here?

I try to argue in a good faith, but it really feels you don't even read ling you're citing, if they seem to even closely support something you *want* to believe. Just like with the vaccines...

9sirtom5 1y ago

To be honest, I don't even get the basics of this discussion.

Like why some people so much open the point of "Nazi"?

Are there any in UA? Yes.

Are they in Russia? Yes. In USA? Yes again.

So what?

Whole EU is taking fascism as a guideline to rule and nobody cares, so why this should be any reason to start killing people?

Same with corruption.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 1y ago

Your position is most confusing, as you speak Russian and have the Anarchy symbol,

yet promote government intervention from the CIA, to do a coup in Ukraine, that banned the Russian language. Do you support banning Russian? Because that’s your current position.

Scott Horton has done many podcasts and a book, outlining the CIA's provocation. I'd be impressed if you address any of these arguments.

Even the CIA director in leaked wikileaks said that doing NATO expansion into Ukraine would be viewed as an act of war that they should not cross.