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I think a big problem is that people are always debating this topic from the extremes. As if you can’t have one without the other. For a man to be masculine, the female must be subjugated. Or if the female is strong, than the man must be weak.

My wife earns more than me, she’s completely independent, has a much higher social standing, but she still wants/needs/respects my role as a masculine figure in our household, and in the larger community.

You can have your cake and eat it too.

I would love to see someone get past the brown belt and .38 special to subjugate my wife. 🤣

Sure af ain’t gonna be me tryin it.

My wife makes men quiver, with a sideways glance

😂

Then I would (respectfully) call her a bad bitch. My wife is a bad bitch too. And loves to demonstrate it occasionally 🤣

😂 yep. Mine demonstrated it this morning! I still have my tail between my legs.

What did you do doggo?

Nothing……or so I thought 😂

Oh no… she said “nothing?”

RIP. 🪦

Oh no, I said I didn’t do anything, then she told me what I did…….and she was right 😂

🤣

That’s some good stuff.

I’ll never learn.

I always try super hard to figure out what I did, but fuck me man, sometimes it’s some obscure shit 😂😂

I mean, what’s wrong with the idea that both partners should be strong? I want a strong, healthy, intelligent wife.

I also want her to be safe, fed, provided with everything she needs to fulfill her potential at whatever she decides to do…

These things are not in conflict.

Strong men need strong women need strong men.

There’s a lot about this world I can’t understand.

🤷‍♂️😂

But I know what love is…

Damn straight 🤝

Forest Gump is a fucking Apex male man.

Forrest Gump is peak sigma male

Dude just grinds

1. Only ever loves one woman.

2. Sees platoon scattered about trying to find friend, just carries them out like they’re groceries while getting shot at.

3. Meets the president and is so unimpressed his favorite part is Dr Pepper.

4. Starts dead friend’s business and makes it insanely popular.

5. Raises son by himself.

Seriously based.

Yes sir!

...so in how many different ways can you have shrimp?

All of them.

Yes

We could learn a lot from him. The world doesn’t need smart men. They need doers.

I agree. Look at what’s happening in the trades.

I don’t know if it’s the same where you are, but my buddies are making a killing. They are their own bosses, taking only the jobs they want, have all the toys, and vacations.

Dirty hands, clean money.

Yeah, basically the same here.

Toxic people are toxic

Some are XY

Some are XX

They do harm

They hide behind labels

Humans sex-differentiated because it improved our survival. Women became experts in child rearing, home-making and social relationship building while men optimized for defense, hard labor, high risk activities, and mechanical work. A team of (1 woman, 1 man, N children) ends up surviving better than a team of (2 androgenous humans, N children) because specialization is more effective than everybody trying to be a jack-of-all-trades where compromises need to be made.

Individual variation is still high. Some women are beasts, some experts in mechanical work, etc, and some men are effeminate. But those are exceptions. Statistically speaking, more often than not the roles are trad. The exceptions are interesting, because their lineages survived in competition with traditional families, these exceptions didn't get selected out, so there is something interesting to study as to why they exist.

Even in the trad case, women are not "subjugated" or weak. Almost all women are very strong, capable and independent. Evolution selected all of us to be as survivable as possible. Women are only relatively a bit weaker as a compromise so they can be better with children. We can see this in sports competitions. I don't think anybody should hold up "weakness" as a trait women ought to have. That's quite wrong. Everybody should glorify strength even in women. The same goes the other way: being caring and nurturing is a good trait in a man, so long as he is not so caring that he can't stand up against a real threat, or he can't kill meat ;-).

I agree that masculinity is not toxic.

But I disagree that weak little men are the woman abusers. Any man can be a woman abuser. And women have to cope with the fact that they benefit from a stronger man, but also that puts them at risk. In some species, the males kill the offspring of the previous males. This makes the female fully available to care for *their* young instead of that other male's young. This isn't a thing among humans, but there are similar instincts that make some men dangerous to women. Women have to be judicious to ensure they chose a mate that loves them and wants to protect them, and not one that is too selfish and uncaring and might turn on her or on the children.

You can define "real masculinity" as men who don't abuse women and children, but if you do you lose the original definition so I don't think we should be redefining things.