Bitcoiner on nostr: 
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Where was that posted?
Private channel
the dev friend?
No this is not that person. Irrelevant who they are really.
it is relevant, you now have shown that you have at least two people that you’ve talked to that think nostr is not worthy of their time
I appreciate you having these discussions and sharing them
nostr and bitcoin are not perfect, but they are important in a world that continues to erode freedom and privacy
No I meant the persons identity is irrelevant. But yes I share these here so we have some insights into how people are thinking about nostr.
Think he's missing the point entirely. Nostr isn't "just another social network" that's the whole point. And with the decentralised structure built on top of existing battle tested tech stacks, and at this point deeply integrated Lightning support, Nostr can do for information what Bitcoin did for money.
I mean shit throw Civ Kit into the mix and it basically completes the vision for Bitcoin from the start.
I’ve watched nostr evolve exponentially since December. We went from talking into the void to small communities doing their own thing. We went from lightning invoices to one tap zaps. You used to need five different clients to get a pfp and NIP5.
Yeah, but … patches 😂 🤦♂️
How dare the initial release not be absolutely perfect and ready for every possible edge case! 🤣
I know right… bitcoin got it right on day 1!
actually they made some point here. nostr is not a first mover in social network so it has no such advantage, I agree, but the real meaning of that point is to say social network is not the killer app on Nostr. Instead, I believe we have more interesting stuff to build on.
First mover advantage is not everything. MySpace had first mover advantage. So did Netscape. And god knows how many other companies.
Timing matters and so does positioning.
In fact, in the startup world it is well known that the 2nd batch of players can do better than the first.
He/she doesn’t speak for me 😂 that’s a very parrot like thinking, repeating what others say without thinking critically.
Nostr is a protocol in early stage. Bitcoin was at that stage too and needed many bug fixes when the network was small enough. You can’t compare one to the other because they try to solve to different things. Every protocol needs bug fixes at some point or another (rather earlier than later).
Expressing that “oh, Bitcoin is perfect so everything else that tries to solve a problem without the Bitcoin standard is doomed” is a fallacy. We can’t rely on Bitcoin to do everything beyond the scope of money. We need to embrace open protocols that aim to achieve freedom and user control of their data WITH the monetary benefit of Bitcoin.
For that, Nostr was built and will continue to be upgraded it until a certain point where upgrades will be a little more slow to come. Is either that or we go back to sending letters to mail 🤦🏻♂️
The real challenge with Nostr is largely surrounding it’s decentralised first mantra. Many problems solved in centralised ways, don’t apply for Nostr - it means starting from scratch. Proven computer science approaches literally don’t exist yet, or are early.
Limitless identities/accounts, fake likes/reposts, spam, recommendations, discovery, content filtering/personalisation, funding, media hosting/content hash addressing, etc.
Bitcoin largely solved a single, yet crazy important decentralisation problem. Many many more still remain. Nostr is both an Interface and foundation, where many more of these decentralisation challenges can develop robust approaches on. It’s not a golden egg with everything solved or perfect.
Network effects are a huge component to the success of a new communication protocol, and Nostr being so simple makes it easy for anyone to build something in an afternoon, thus it's easier for it to grow exponentially than more complex protocols.