Nostr Web Client

It would be unhealthy to think of all new tech as "competition" to Nostr.

Nostr is not Bitcoin, it isn't an investment that will mature and make you rich (unless you get funded by Jack?).

Nostr is derivative networking protocol tech that builds on the ideas of many people before it (including my own, believe it or not). It is tech that already has been improved upon in various ways, both inside and outside the Nostr community.

Pubky is a strict improvement to Nostr and if that makes you uncomfortable, the cure is to learn more, not to attack it like it is some sort of virus or scam.

I have dedicated the past 12 years of my life to Bitcoin and freedom technology, and the Synonym team has similar stories. Do you really want to just ignore us and discredit us out of spite?

Is that what you want this community to represent, some sort of tribe with taboos and strict allegiances?

That is not how to compete with Bluesky and Big Tech.

Anyway, we will keep doing what we do regardless of any hate, and we will be ready for you and accepting when you arrive to our ideas.

Thank you for your consideration.

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Louferlou 1y ago

Yes. I don't feel the "hate" you speak about though 😅

El Presidento Ben 1y ago

exactly my thoughts: being Bitcoin only is not the same as wanting to be Nostr only. Bitcoin is the best money, so you are currently winning with Bitcoin only. Nostr is not money and certainly not THE one best solution for all sorts of things. If you don't keep an open mind and can merge things fluently, you will quickly stumble again and again. I'm just thinking of that: Domain owners of Nostr relays in prison.

Sebastix 1y ago

Why strict and not loose?

Deleted Account 1y ago

did they mean “competition” or “noise”? Let’s not overestimate something worth less than a NIP now. It’s about the movement, not the tech. Just as altcoins have to leach off Bitcoin’s shadow to stay relevant, so will an endless stream of self-proclaimed nostr competition.

Have you actually learned about it, or are you just assuming?

No one outside of Nostr devs should care about "NIPs" anyway.

Deleted Account 1y ago

this is about as much as I know 😄:

https://x.com/BitcoinErrorLog/status/1850067213442511107

You can click the buttons and read the words we wrote.

Or, you can even listen to this AI podcast overview I made:

Deleted Account 1y ago

AI podcast about what’s coming soon 💀

Sebastix 1y ago

To me, everything around Pubky is being pushed and the stuff I believe in nowadays are always being pulled by myself through many channels. What I learned in the past things that are pulled are more likely to stay and have a stronger survirvorship towards the future.

That's great if your network is informed and perfect, but will fail to pick up on new info, especially if you reject it on instinct.

You don't have to use social heuristics for everything, you can read the info and judge for yourself, then you BECOME one of those people that people "pull" from.

Anyway, if you aren't interested it's okay, I'm just not here to humor any narratives meant to protect ignorance.

Sebastix 1y ago

Things that are pushed are rejected by many on instinct. I think you already got that message from me. It’s the silver rule.

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How do you know the difference between "pushing" and "pulling" when it is new info from new people?

What is the proper way to share new software without frightening you?

Dan 1y ago

Propagating non-consensus views is kinda nostrs whole deal right? I don't know enough to say whether or not I agree with John, but I do know enough to say it's probably worth reading and reflecting on

Ronin 1y ago

Don't pay too much attention and energy to haters. I myself love Nostr and I am very curious about pubky and will try to find time this next weekend to do some demo to understand it, you and Nuh could also be Nostr haters but you are here doing a great job answering questions, keep it up.

What I don't understand is why you chose to essentially hard-fork nostr. Why not build all this cool stuff on nostr? It would all work as far as I can tell.

τέχνη 1y ago

Even if he only changed one thing (the PKI), it would be a hardfork of nostr. There are some base level items that cannot be improved without a hardfork.

So if you need to hardfork for that, might as well change some other things (like the assumption that everyone will have their own personal relay I suppose).

NostrErrorLog 1y ago

Okay but this is not what "hard fork" means. This is not a blockchain and we didnt use any Nostr code. We were never Nostr and there were no forks or defections.

τέχνη 1y ago

Hard fork in the sense of nostr would just be a change in the identity system which would create two different networks. But yes good call to clarify that

Like, there could be good reasons like there were with scuttlebutt, I just don't know what they are

elsat 1y ago

It is strange that this team is attacking its customers, presumably nostr developers, for not understanding their company’s product.

Maybe this is not what is happening.

This is what it looks like from the outside.

They come across as bitter, defensive, and arrogant. If they want people to try or use their product, they should get someone who knows how to talk to people to make announcements, and answer questions.

Yes, but also I think they're excellent marketers. If I were to read it cynically I'd say they're doing the crypto play — siphoning energy and talent away from a truly open protocol to a branded version of the same thing.

I think that's circumstantial, not intentional. And their abrasiveness is going to encourage people to take an ideological stand against them. It feels very counterproductive to me.

Yes, I agree, I think Carvalho is well-intentioned.

I've seen devs get defensive and hostile before when their work is criticized. I think it's a natural impulse when you feel like something you've put your time and energy into is being attacked. But you've got to find a way to keep your game face on so you done end up alienating the people you want to accept your work.

For sure, I know I have

vnprc 1y ago

btcerrorlog is fractious and thin-skinned. Only a matter of time before the arguments pick up.

I haven't looked at the tech stack. Is it web5? They have some very interesting solutions for scalability and key rotation. Nostr has the network effect. I think the best future is for nostr to adopt some of the web5 tech. In some cases it would be a backwards incompatible change, essentially a hard fork.

But you can't bully people into a hard fork. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You don't have to use vibes to judge us, you can simply read about our work.

We aren't siphoning anything and there is no nefarious strategy. We're literally trying to make the world a better place.

No need to speculate or guess about us just read this: https://medium.com/pubky/pubky-the-next-web-3287b35408f1

I have been publicly telling people what we are doing for years.

We gave our ideas to Nostr people since the beginning, they never cared. We don't expect them to care now.

The difference is we actually finally shipped a cool system with a coherent design and narratives now, so people are paying attention.

Suhail 1y ago

Why would they need to care? Just build it yourself and show…