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Why does no one talk about ICANN centralization and alternatives like #OpenNic?

or email self hosting.

Freedom Money, Freedom Social, Freedom Hardware, yes. But all these relays and nodes run on .com's

Privacy technologies get a lot of attention, but the step after ones ISP gets very little. With anonymous mesh networks not taking off and with inherent infrastructure limitations, registering a real I.D with an ISP beholden to a state will remain for the forseable future. But after that step in the internet stack ? We should support as libre as possible right ?

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Thoughts ?

For instance, if i want to set up a nostr relay i have to trust a third party at some point, for the TLD. Identity with them is reliant on an email instead of an npub assosiation.

It would be nice to have a server app market like in Umbrel where i can spin up my own Domain after some sort of anti spam measure like a crypto escrow or nostr vouching system.

ICANN appears to have a monopoly, whereas with nostr we can support and promote an alternative default system.

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Cyber Seagull 1y ago

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Would appreciate your thoughts. Is this not a centralization/censorship weakness ?

mwaters 1y ago

If you want access to my #tor hosted relay , then just message me and I will whitelist your npub.

http://relay7me5uwxovnleekyfke6u7lzto4sbahori3gnegcu67gzctmugad.onion/

Cyber Seagull 1y ago

Thanks ! So basicly its not a big deal because if icann starts getting weird, we can just switch to tor ?

mwaters 1y ago

Correct.

I guess Tor is not used primarily because it is slower and more awkward than clearnet , we are lucky to have it as a backup if required.

I've whitelisted your NPUB so give the relay a try.

Cyber Seagull 1y ago

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Vitor Pamplona 1y ago

Mostly because ICANN is just a small part of the centralization of domain names. But yes, we talk about it all the time. :)

OpenNic is not that much better. It is also centralized. It's just different overlords.

It's like the PlayStore vs F-Droid. Both are centralized catalogs with their own review process to what and who can be there. Exchanging one for another doesn't solve much.

Cyber Seagull 1y ago

I see. Thanks !

334 1y ago

I appreciate the FOSS and degoogled aspects of f-droid. I am trying to use FOSS as much as possible. When a project is unable to provide an f-droid version or decides to create a separate version, it prompts me to ask why. While still centralized, I feel f-droid is a huge step towards a more free future from the google playstore.

I very much appreciate your Amethyst software. Thank you! It's what I use on my graphene pixel. You've let me know that it's the translations in Amethyst that cannot currently be FOSS, and that that is why there is a separate f-droid version without those translations. I wish that those translations could somehow be FOSS in the future.

Thank you for all you do!

Vitor Pamplona 1y ago

Thank you! On translations, nobody has made a FOSS in-device AI model to translate text in the phone yet. There are services that use FOSS models on servers but while the model is FOSS, the server is not. All that without going through the privacy issue of sending plaintext DMs to a server to translate.

El_monty 1y ago

What about Tor relays? They don't require a .com but maybe would be better with specific low data/text only clients?

Cyber Seagull 1y ago

Hmmm good point. And ones Nostr account replaces email for identity.

Daniel Wigton 1y ago

All humanly recognizable identifiers; usernames, domains, etc; need to be set by the client. I.E. petnames.

An entity can make a proposal about who they are, our network of friends can tell us who they think the entity is, and we can verify for ourselves. Each layer adds a bit more certainty.

A web of trust approach is the only truly decentralized way to do it. If you demand that identifiers be globally unique, then you have a form of centralization. Even consensus models are centralized if required to be global.

Don't bake in any global info to your protocol. It should function the same whether your corner of the network is isolated from the whole or joined.