This was not underage porn this was raping a 5 year old.

What do you mean many supporting bringing porn "because it opens the Pandora box again"?

Also, could you please elaborate and speak more on the "addressing actual problems here". What are some of the actual problems, are there discussions that you've been a part of and where, what are some proposed solutions erc etc?

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We can't do anything about that. Sick people will always be around us. Remove the relay the content is coming from. That's how you clean your feed.

Yeah, nostr is so focused on SBR, and "Anti-Racism" that none of them are taking action on addressing the underbelly.

The Dark Web of Nostr of sorts.

Nostr should promote a culture of uprightness so those producers aren't enabled by us.

They slip in between the cracks of all the other porn.

And to clarify on my pandoras box comment, a lot of the men here are low T, and simp a lot for any woman that gives them attention, they're promoting sex workers, and some engage with pornographic content.

By enabling sex workers on here we are creating the slippery slope that allows underage porn to hide more easily.

Because people will do mental gymnastics, and say they're just a small woman, or she only looks young, etc.

We need to stop it at the source.

I did notice the decent amount of sex workers and their content incoming in the recent flow of users, and getting zapped by some prominent influencer accounts.

I don't have a solid made up stance on that at this point. But the point you make about underage and cp hiding more easily should be a consideration.

And again what I saw was neither a small woman nor looked young. It was a no older than a 6-7 year old child. Another video which I did not only showed a naked toddler of not of a naked adult body.

No mental gymnastics here.

Being that I am not a dev and don't get all the technicality and understand there is certainly a conundrum around the whole censorship resistance and the decentralization aspect of it, but there has got to be some moral compass at play that is being used and in deep consideration in the developing process it seems. And I get it's tricky because then, well if this then that too and then the next and the fear of just coming back to where we started from creeps in.

The best thing nostr users can do with the current system is take the flak, and report the content.

Most clients have a report mechanism of sorts.

This should be a priority for #nostrDevs before law enforcements start to taking down relay and putting few relay operators behind bars.

They did that to Tornafo cash and Samurai guys gor money laundering. Ehat is stopping them to imprison relay operators gor spreading CSAM.

Yes Nostr can be censorship resistant but the censorship is welcomed on relays used by most plebs. Content like CSAM should absolutely be censored. We are not in Roman tomes anymore and Epstein island is not so popular anymore.

NIP wen?

And the person who will have to write the NIP will be falsely accused for even viewing those accounts, which is maybe why no one reports because it implicates them as someone who viewed that profile, or content.

ZKP reporting for that content but problem is that mechanic could be abused by people who want to shut down opposing views šŸ¤”.

Fine line, maybe have an algorithm determine keywords of the text but again algorithms can be broken too.

Unfortunately ultimately it comes down to human purview but no one wants to be the purviewer for that content again because they get no compensation, and have no legal protections, and also humans would abuse that mechanic to shut down opposing views.

The only way I can think to counteract the human purview problem is zap staking via smart contract, where in a moderator stakes in a certain amount to become a moderator.

If they moderate correctly by consensus then they get a Zap stipend on top of their stake but If they moderate incorrectly then their zap stake disappears.

Or a simpler way without too much brainstorming. Just being louder that Nostr will not tolerate CP and anyone trying will be hunt down one way or another.

A tiger without teeth cannot maul its prey.

Either stop it at the root, and prevent opening Pandora’s box or else it will only proliferate rapidly.

Can AI scan through it?

Yeah, it can but most AIs have to be trained by a human typically :/

There's been major lawsuits globally since Facebook, and other companies used underpaid, or unpaid 3rd worlders to train their data sets via other businesses.

There's a whole big global lawsuit going on right now about it.

Sure, but… you would have to train AI on that ā€œmaterialā€.. and it takes a human to produce the training set..😬

Imagine using the model to train a CP generator. Wouldn't be hard either lol

I am sorry could you please remind me what the acronym SBR stands for?

Yeah, underbelly has got to be addressed. As a Plutonian woman I am not surprised it's coming into my stream to help escavate.

I absolutely agree on the culture values and protecting this field for the legacy we are building.

I once was laying on my medicine table years ago getting a cranial sacral therapy session... child abuse came up as she was sharing with me the town next over was dealing with a local pedophile. She said "everyone knows who it is. But you know what the problem is Diyana. They all know exactly who this and what he is doing. But they are turning a blind eye or they would have had him stop a long time ago".

You can't have a village and let the child molestors run free. Both mothers and fathers have responsibility.

The problem with sexual abuse is the vast majority of cases are typically someone they know.

So sometimes not even the home can be safe for some people.

Society will eventually figure it out but it doesn't look like it's anytime soon šŸ™ƒ.