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As I see Bitcoin it is merely a very useful technology/tool. All useful technologies/tools could be used by any kinds of people good or bad - BTC as a technology does not discriminate against anyone in any way. Bitcoin miners being mostly regulated entities is a thing, as well as hash rate concentration between a small number of mining pools is. But one has to look at it practically - what can those pools technically do to influence the Bitcoin network in a malicious way? They can do pretty much nothing, and all the individual miners can easily change the mining pool in the same way NOSTR users can easily switch relays if they start to misbehave. Bitcoin indeed is fully traceable, however there are existing ways to effectively obfuscate each bitcoins history. As for the fungibility, one could argue that it is more fungible than not, everywhere in the world 1 BTC = 1 BTC. If you want to argue against that, you have to also accept that cash is not truly fungible as each banknote has its unique number. But using such logic nothing is truly fungible in this world.

If you agree that fiat is inherently evil and is used as an enslavement tool, how can you still support it in the form of cash? The principle stays the same and people who hold their savings in cash are being continuously robbed of their energy and time. It is true that WEF/banksters would prefer CBDCs to banknotes, but that does not change the fact that cash is still fundamentally evil. If one needs a good physical form of money, the only thing realistically available is gold - it has all the benefits of cash without being a tool of enslavement.

As for me, I definitely am against any government, that does not mean that I am against nations, cultures and languages. Government ≠ Nation. This also does not mean that I am for one global currency. I am for letting people decide what they want to use as money or currency on the individual level in a free market. I do however think that it will naturally lead to one major form of money being used more widely, and I do not think that it is a bad thing in itself if it is not forced upon anyone.

Most people currently indeed are quite naive/stupid and are easily duped. But you have to consider that the current state of man was artificially nurtured through centuries of government led negative selection, indoctrination and especially in the last few centuries literal poisoning of the bodies and brains of the people. So this stupidity is not a natural state of men, but rather artificial created by governments and people who control them in the first place. So relying on the same governments who are mostly responsible for the state of things currently to change it for the better is not very a very logical thing to do, in my opinion. Whatever you call Rothschild-capitalism is exactly that - a distorted free market capitalism that is better described by term crony capitalism. This has nothing to do with free markets, and definitely does not showcase how the world would look in a purely capitalistic society.

I agree that forced digitalisation is bad, no argument there. If it’s voluntary on the other hand then who are we to judge the choice of people. As for definition of money that includes it being non-digital, it is highly debatable and I don’t agree with it. Bitcoin UTXOs can also be stored and traded offline literally on pieces of paper.

never forget 6 million lies 2y ago

>Bitcoin it is technology/toolI

Would't say useful as your next sentence clearly negates that, it can be used for bad things. It's funny though you can't see (yet) same applies to Government. And since Bitcoin is surrently in hands of those who control money it's your enemy. You generalize. That was theoretical. No. Not all miners and not all Nostr users and that is the practical problem. So majority decides. Our problem stays. Majority is stupid and they are controlled with ideology.

>there are existing ways to effectively obfuscate each bitcoins history.

not true. Additionaly this simply can't be a rule for daily usage, It's disqualified as money. Money must be simple. As simple as barter.

You are trying to make banknotes a threat. They are not because they are not digitalized.

Wrong again. I don't say fiat is inherently bad. You are failing to think in context. It's also just a tool. Everything is used for enslavement today. Including guns. Doesn't mean guns kill and are bad.

> how can you still support it in the form of cash?

Simply. I know the enemy and what enemy hates. It's cash because it's one of last freedoms left.

Yes there is inflation and other controlled (((factors))). Agree. That's proof cash is a tool. That is why paying cash also doesn't solve the cause, but it's only accaptable measure currently. The central banks and corrupt governments are still cause here. So nothing to be solved on this level not t al with any Crypto. Gold is also only theoretically available. Realistically it's majority is owned by same people who accumulated it over centuries. So we are again comming full circle to the cause and radix of everything. Small group having monopoly over entire planet's resources. BTW most of gold is located in Israel.

>I am for letting people decide what they want to use as money or currency on the individual level in a free market.

Are we talking about same people "deciding for themselves" to commit mask torture? Do you see?

You will need to get familiar with "no one forced anything on anyone" in Weimar republic where mothers and children were prostituting for money.

If you give freedom to idiots it's called degeneracy. Covidism was proof. They all did it and were free to choose.

Nation can't exist without gov. Who will own water in Nation? Bill gates will be free to come and take it all or only people of that Nation have right to decide (not stupid people of that Nation!).

>So this stupidity is not a natural state.

That's cog dis. Not true. This has always been this way. Despite disgenics we all had same conditions. Yet some never wore masks, tested, vaxxed etc... People are not equal. Stupid people can't lead society and we are social species. In vain you blame governments. People have free will. Government is excuse morality is cause. If not you would be saying Covidists are innocent, they are not.

>same governments

again shooting the messenger/banning guns

There is no free market. It's a lie. Free market means anyone is free to steal from you. And that anyone is stupid demoralized majority.

You are living in it. You have illusion of capitalism, No such thing existed Before Rothchilds established it. Capitalism means to take in unregulated manner.

>who are we to judge the choice of people

It's not voluntary, brainwashed people don't make their choices but choices of someone else. Because moral person will judge and prevent immorality.

>Bitcoin UTXOs

You are forcing some overcomplicated nonsense on people that requires them to take advanced math lessons to verify they are not being scammed and you are focing them to use tech. 4 industrial revolution.

Money must be for everyone even for stupid it's social decency and morality. "Here is 1oz of gold here is bag of rice."

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The Guy That Looked Into It 2y ago

The difference is that Bitcoin has proven so far to be able to withstand any attempts of capture, it still has the same hard supply, it still serves as a useful tool for humanity. Governments on the other hand have shown time after time that they are extremely prone to capture by outside interests and are always turned into an enslavement tool against its own people.

Bitcoin can definitely be conjoined and its history obfuscated. If you structure your UTXOs in a proper manner, you can use them with a high degree of anonymity even daily. Further more layer 2 technologies as lightning bring another layer of privacy.

Banknotes by themselves are not evil, originally they are used as a claim on real money held by a bank - gold and silver. However, they *always* end up being unbacked, debased and used by bankster as an enslavement tool. *Every* fiat currency without exception that existed previously was eventually compromised.

Most gold and Bitcoin owned by the banksters is not a catastrophic thing that renders them useless. What is the most important thing is that they are not able to print them out of thin air. Yes, they can manipulate the price short term as long as people allow them to, but over the long term they can’t do anything by owning a large part of the supply.

People deciding for themselves in a free market is different than brainwashed for centuries people forcing stuff on others. Of course in the current state of affair they will be making bad decisions. Remove the banksters and their tricks however, people will start to think straight again.

Nations are made up of families that are able to collectively make decisions, this is how it was before governments came about. Banksters know this and that’s why they are putting so much effort into destroying families and replacing them with corrupt governments.

I don’t disagree that the majority of people have a hard time thinking logically and making sound decisions, but they and a large part of their bloodline were raised to be so stupid and naive. If they on the other hand were lifted and not put down the whole time, most people would be a lot smarter than they are currently.

In a free market anyone can try to steal from me, but I can defend myself and hire people to do so as well. Capitalism means everyone is free to make their own voluntary decisions. You are right however in saying that currently people are fed with an illusion of capitalism, while in reality everything is ruled by cronyism where banksters and their cronies legally steal from everyone.

Hard money is the only way out of this mess. Gold does not work on a large scale because it always ends up compromised. The only other option left currently is Bitcoin. Technology is here to stay, provably backed layer 2 Bitcoin will be able to serve peoples day to day needs.

never forget 6 million lies 2y ago

Bitcoin proven to get you rekt just in Covidism. You can't argue with better experiment.

Do you know which 4 things you need to destory nations? You must destroy their race, culture, language and currency. Without the 4, Nations don't exist anymore. This is trough infiltrating their governments, destruction of which you sadly support instead of learning that authoritarian moral government is only thing that can punish them for ever, unless you want some sort of hunger games, everything else will result with your offsprings living twice as worse as you. Because you are fighting immortal ideology.

The rest is you believing in feirytales of Libertarian Marxists.

Libertarianism/Anarchy is not what you falsely believe, it's a phase of social trauma caused by jews.

Another great document that breaks that trauma. https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/

The Guy That Looked Into It 2y ago

Just saw this. In order to destroy nations you need to destroy family as an institution, their culture (race and language included) and their money (take away their ability to save). And all of the governments without exceptions are doing exactly this. Any (authoritarian) government destroys traditional families, separates children from their parents and brainwashes them into being government cucks. And nothing good has ever stemmed from that.

Anarchy is the original natural state of life. “Jews” or bankers are helpless in it, they can only force people into slavery through any form of government, not its absence.

I am more than halfway through the “Europa - the last battle”, and I might even watch the other one you suggest. But it is clear to me that “national-socialism” is just another pocket form of government that bankers use to create chaos on earth. Look not at the promises of it, but at the result of its actions. Namely, it led Germany into being a part of the criminal spectacle that ravaged European cities in the last century, killed tens of millions of Slavs and Aryans, cemented the rule of banking cartel worldwide and led to the creation of the jewish state.

never forget 6 million lies 2y ago

So first nonsense.

>all of the governments without exceptions are doing exactly this.

It looks like same as you are not paying attention to facts presented in ETLB like jews controlling all governments today you quickly forgot that guns don't kill.

The definition of existence of government is "for benefit and preservation of nation" not benefit of one ethnoreligious group that doesn't belong into that nation on expense of a nation. You are easily manipulated with words. They take something from you use it against you and you blame that thing. Therfore if you are against governemnt you are multiculturalist communist, for racial genocide and replacemant you already support 80% of globalist goal with "anarchism"

You have no idea what's going on.

>Any (authoritarian) government destroys traditional families, separates children from their parents and brainwashes them into being government cucks. And nothing good has ever stemmed from that.

Clearly not true, I don't know how you watched ETLB when there is dozens of examples how National Socialism (that is strictly based on laws of nature not someone's opinions) did just opposite of that, not only promised but enforced protection of German families and blood. As all national valuse need protection (from elements like jews)

Anarchy is not only anything but unnatural, thus jewish, as a political doctrine it was also developed provably by jews to takeover Monarchies later the governments. It's needed for the cycle of color revolutions like Bolshevik one. Anarchy is even so unnatural among nonjewish people that no one even heard of it before 17th century where it was indoctrinated into people by surprisingly pro-jewish and jewish philosophers. The only anarchists in ancient times were jews, causing major chaos. crime, and conflicts wherever they went. Read Tacitus of Flavius Josephus for example. Example of anarchy from history is Bolshevik revolution, killings on daily basis among endless destruction, multiculturalism etc. Every animal species protects these primal natural designs by hierarchy. Anarchy means jew can go where he pleases. Take any natural resources he pleases. You are contradicting yourself. If original state means own nothing and be happy like animals than yes, sure. However everything you use daily, and moved humanity anywhere was created by white race. Now you picked only relatively new "bankers" to blame, unable to identify real cause.

>But it is clear to me that “national-socialism” is just another pocket form of government that bankers use to create chaos on earth.

That appears as if you never watched even a minute of ETLB. How did you figure out the only movement in history that got rid of "bankers" completely created chaos by it? But anarchy doesn't create chaos in your scify world? Absolute nonsense.

Result of anarchy was Weimar republic. Result of NS was 14 years of enormous success and high moral standards. NS got rid of child prostitution in only 2 weeks. But maybe you like child prostitution or just don't care as antisocial person... IDK. Either way wrong remains wrong. And truth is authoritarian. Germany was part of criminal spectacle involuntarily because it fought the bankers. So you seem to have schizophrenia now. Here we see your anarchy would kill you pretty quickly for pacifism just as jews proven by their actions many times. Don't forget that anarchists were on forefront of that killing since we generalize. So you want to kill all jews? I can't deter you but writing on internet isn't gonna kill one. I prefer they have their own state and remain in it but accusing Germany of "cemented rule of banking cartel and creating jewish state" is as deranged as accusing unvaccinated from getting vaccines and wearing muzzles. How do you obey by rules of "anarchy" when if someone defends himself you consider him " part of criminal spectacle" all that's required is "oh I didn't know they lied to me. So move on and we should just not punish anyone because that is against anarchy, that would be authoritarian and BAD." That's mental illness.

never forget 6 million lies 2y ago

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never forget 6 million lies 2y ago

*vaccinated accusing unvaccinated for getting vaccines and wearing muzzles.

The Guy That Looked Into It 2y ago

Just saw this, I don't seem to get notifications from your replies.

The Guy That Looked Into It 2y ago

>The definition of existence of government is "for benefit and preservation of nation"

That is what they always say. But in reality it is just a tool for a small group of parasites to predate on the majority of people and control all aspects of their lives.

>…there is dozens of examples how National Socialism…not only promised but enforced protection of German families and blood

This is not true. Parents were still constantly struggling to make a living and had to send their children to schools to be indoctrinated by complete strangers. Which is a complete antithesis to actually strong families, where solely parents raise their children.

>Example of anarchy from history is Bolshevik revolution, killings on daily basis among endless destruction…Anarchy means jew can go where he pleases

Bolshevism is an example of state (terrorist organisation) committing crimes against individual families. Anarchy means there is no ruling terrorist organisation and individual families and small communities are responsible for protecting themselves. If people were properly prepared and not weakened through government interventions, no bolsheviks would be able to hurt them.

>That appears as if you never watched even a minute of ETLB…the only movement in history that got rid of "bankers" completely…

Trust me I did watch every single minute of it. Getting rid of the fractional reserve banking is only half of the solution. National Socialism still leaves control over money to the state, which means enslavement of all the people by a single terrorist organisation.

>Germany was part of criminal spectacle involuntarily because it fought the bankers

Don’t you see that it did not work and never will? Unless the playing field is fundamentally changed, the result will always remain the same. We need to take away banker/zionst/talmudist/globalist (whatever you want to call them) power to steal energy and resources from all the people, and by doing so remove their ability to fund all of the destruction. This can only be done by ditching government fiat currencies in all shapes and forms and using exclusively incorruptible money that won’t leak savings into their pockets.

>but accusing Germany of "cemented rule of banking cartel and creating jewish state" is as deranged as vaccinated accusing unvaccinated for getting vaccines and wearing muzzles.

I am just stating the facts. Ironically, your supposedly silly metaphor is correct. Unvaccinated are responsible for the covid mess as much as vaccinated in a sense that they both allowed the governments to have control over their money and use it for creating an environment where plandemic was possible in the first place.

At the end of the day, it all stems from money. As long as it stays controlled by anyone, humanity will keep losing. And National-Socialism does fundamentally nothing to change anything about it.