Lyn has a great thread about people who diss lightning: nostr:nevent1qgsw4v882mfjhq9u63j08kzyhqzqxqc8tgf740p4nxnk9jdv02u37ncqyprj9fvwrctx7gdfsencz9sf3cscqc9ruqpsk6pxza6xrhw7k94tq0l3c99
Lyn also observes that lightning has "boosted sender privacy." Which is true, but did you know? Lightning also has better *receiver* privacy than monero. Even if you use a bolt11 invoice, the sender learns less information than he would if you gave him your monero address.
Lightning is so cool!
LN *is cool
but "rando on the internet cant tell me the source of funds"
is more parlor trick than a test of network privacy.
tell me how we can know our routing isnt predicable and high liquidity nodes aren't colluding
then we're on our way to something resembling privacy.
> but "rando on the internet cant tell me the source of funds"
is more parlor trick than a test of network privacy
I agree
> tell me how we can know our routing isnt predictable
Because the predictor doesn't know where you are routing to
> and high liquidity nodes aren't colluding
Even if every routing node colluded, they still couldn't tell who the sender or recipient is
Just send him 2.1M sats via lightning and he will be convinced.
currently I don't think I have that much inbound liquidity
my understanding is that although we call it "tor routing"
unlike Tor, its not a random route its optimized. therefore possibly (probabilistically) predicable.
and although routing nodes don't know the sender and recipient, they know the origin and destination. which is pertinent.
also maybe you already know about this,
but looks like a great (custodial) tool for LN education
>great (custodial)
blink twice if you are being made to say this against your will
lol fair
but I try to be pragmatic.
their tool is a great way for non CLI people to spin up a node and learn about channel management.
its well documented and obviously a good faith educational effort.
so, about the best you can expect from a custodial solution.
> unlike Tor, its not a random route its optimized. therefore possibly (probabilistically) predicable.
Only if you know the destination in advance
> although routing nodes don't know the sender and recipient, they know the origin and destination. which is pertinent.
Routing nodes don't know the origin or destination
were talking about collusion.
the first node knows the origin, the last knows the destination, no?
