The other day on Twitter/X, I paid out a 2,100,000 sat or $1,700 USD Lightning bounty.

Over the past couple years, I’ve offered an occasional challenge on Twitter/X.

When people tell me Lightning doesn’t work, I often ask them in random comments for their Lightning details so I can pay them in the next 5-10 minutes on the spot, permissionlessly, wherever they are, with this payment method that supposedly doesn’t work.

Every single time, they can’t do it. Because they haven’t even tried it. They’re just talking. I’ve done this a ton of times and nobody ever takes the sizable sat offerings.

In Dan Held’s anti-Nostr thread, Mark Jeffrey was critical of Lightning.

Unlike most who I offer the challenge to as 99% sure they won’t take it, I offered it to Mark despite knowing he had a much higher probability of accepting it, since he’s tech savvy and active in the broad crypto space. But in my view, if he accepts, then that’s also evidence on the spot that it works.

He declined my 21,000 sat offer and politely still talked anti-Lightning.

So, I said since I like him, I’d up it to 210,000 sats. He still declined and talked more anti-Lightning. He spoke about how he *wanted* it to work, but the problem just isn’t solved yet.

My inner Nostr Lyn couldn't help it, so I upped it to 2,100,000 sats, or $1,700+ USD, if he would just post a way to pay him on Lightning within the next ten minutes. Nobody had ever taken me up on my challenge, so I pressed to my highest offer ever just to see, out of sheer curiosity. He’s a multi-time published novelist, which with my recent fiction hobby, interests me. So, if there’s someone I want to claim the bounty, might as well be him.

And then you know what? He did. Of course he had a Lightning address.

He went from ā€œwant it to work butā€¦ā€ to digging through his past experiences and finding an old Lightning address, within a few minutes. The first person on Twitter/X to accept my challenge.

I paid him 2,100,000 sats on the spot, or $1700+ USD.

He provided a Stike address, so that’s a shout out to nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvqywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttsw43zuam9d3kx7unyv4ezumn9wsqzp382htsmu08k277ps40wqhnfm60st89h5pvjyutghq9cjasuh38q7t6dtc who made Lightning convenient enough for Mark, who doesn’t understand or particularly like Lightning, to finally call my challenge and make me have fun staying poor, lol. And it worked flawlessly despite being an above-average sized Lightning transaction.

I then asked Mark if he could identify the sending wallet, but he said he couldn’t. He asked about block explorers to identify the payment, and while I pointed him toward Mempool Space, I highlighted that Lightning tends to make sending privacy pretty good even though I didn’t maximize privacy on this one. I'm not deep into the weeds on privacy tech, so I'm always genuinely curious just to ask "hey, can you identify any privacy leaks here?"

I also asked him if he would have shared his bank details publicly like he shared his Lightning address. He said of course not.

So even if people say ā€œBut Lyn, Mark used a custodial walletā€, I’d say that this tech stack reduced his friction and boosted sender privacy.

I think there are still improvements to make of course, particularly Lightning combined with other scaling methods (ecash, Ark-style stuff, and so forth), but it’s a powerful glue that connects a lot of things together.

In addition, when it comes to payments and small amounts of working capital, there is an important ā€œchoose your own adventureā€ aspect. For small amounts, in safe jurisdictions, custodial Lightning is not that big of a deal, like keeping cash in your wallet that is prone to theft or loss. It maximizes UX.

But it’s important to keep pushing hard, keep developing, keep providing capital, to make as many tools as possible available for people that need to maximize privacy and/or self-custody. Not everyone needs or wants those capabilities for every single payment, but they do need the *option* to turn to them when it’s important.

Mark Jeffrey then reached out to chat about fiction. Last year he asked me to go on his podcast to talk about Broken Money, but I fell behind on Twitter/X DMs due to bandwidth constraints and didn’t get back to him. So, after this I got back to him and said I’d be happy to talk about fiction with him to pick his brain, and talk Broken Money on his podcast, and we got one scheduled. šŸ¤

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Lightning, when used correctly, can be very, very private: https://docs.megalithic.me/the-lightning-network/how-private

Yes.

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Business in the front, party in the back type of deal? šŸ¤”

U r crazy. Dude was a low effort Lightning hater.

but she made him eat his words. now he looks like a sell-out willing to accept money and be wrong. not great for his reputation

Yeah and host of a podcast when he obviously doesn’t know shxt.

šŸ’Æ

We win one mind at a time

a rando on the internet not being to identify the source of a payment says very little about the privacy of a network.

I can do the same thing with a credit card.

that doesn't make it private.

-Would you give your credit card details in a public thread?

-A lot of the time, the privacy that people want is from randos. If it's way harder for randos to identify payments, that's a big privacy boost.

ok then

better than a credit card.

but I assume you know that isn't the point.

people have real privacy needs and that still falls into the category of "cute"

I'm not saying good privacy on LN isn't possible

but that doesn't demonstrate it.

in fact it encourages a misunderstanding of what privacy is.

lol go touch some grass mate

uninspired replyguy reply is uninspired šŸ‘‹

trying to win an argument at all costs can make you look stupid

fortunately you dont need to try and it comes naturally

Lol, credit cards and the banking system are abstractions and like most abstractions, eg Cashu, are more private than Bitcoin...

Privacy and Bitcoin shouldn't be in the same sentence, unless one is willing to go through an intermediatary like Strike or Cashu...

And sorry, but that's a non starter...

The problem is that LN creates problems rather than solving them.

Someone using Zeus embedded node should open a channel with 100k-1mil sats...

Or God forbid, they need hardware to run their own node and keep it online.

Then manage liquidity...

Anyway my point is that you end up pushing people to custodial solutions the more you push these layers with massive UX issues on people.

And that's fucked...

We have convinced people that they're bitcoiners when they're effectively reverting to the fiat system of IOUs...

Ffs

KYC or Custodial solutions... It's all bullshit... Damn it people!!! There are other solutions...

Sure, why not?

Card Number: 4318-2461-9091-4000

CVV: 359

Pin: 8896

Expiration Date: 2/28

zip plz

Sure: 20001

And if you need, Mothers Maiden Name: Smith

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not the best example perhaps

but the point stands

we pay counterparties with CC all the time

and it is "private"

if being able to publicly post an invoice is the big advantage,

maybe we need to rethink this.

You are priceless Lyn šŸ™

respect your drive to challenge the tawkers 🫔

that is awesome, i cant believe it works so well. i did the same with my fren but with 30$ and was like, see??

head nods..

narrator: he still didnt see

More walkers less talkersšŸ¤™šŸ»

This is an interesting approach. I might have to try this out and see who bites!

This proves nothing! Lightning doesn’t work. I dare you to challenge me….

Your reply > my reply

According to your zap stats, you've sent 879 zaps

Oh really? Thats wildly off. Closer to 19 sats

I agree prove yodl wrong by zapping me

nostr:npub1v7k63c6y2vktlqhsuupywt3yc7ykursujc34at964f9cv9s9y9csjutfk0 do U live by an airport?

Depends on what airport means, but not really why?

i waz commenting on windsok ^B^havoir/ *B* mE & Lyn/YODL jk john/ lolz

i like th@ sus/*****

what airport means/f'n funny *BrO'

With a gyrocopter anything's possible.

my grammar school friend IZ getting another ultralight/ he was a transport pilot for yearz

Then the world is his airport.

ya/

can you read?

Oh, lol. Guess not

Ps fu

now/now

like the nym/

gambit?

i might consider a bet YODL/

Lightning works great if you want it to. It's never been cheaper or easier to run your own lightning node.

That's a lot of sats to win someone over, but that's your business. Satoshi's quote comes to mind "If you don't believe it or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry."

True. It’s not good on an individual basis.

But all my other challenges were free, since they couldn’t take them.

When I amortize my cost over all of them, it’s not terrible marketing imo.

I literally had fun staying poor.

Lyn you are cool. šŸ¤™šŸ»

It might also be worth mentioning the benefits of Liquid when discussing Lightning. I like the fact you can protect your Liquid in a cold wallet... and then use that L-BTC as your conduit to Lightning.

I do like Liquid/Lightning integration that is increasingly happening.

Now do the lightning challenge on NOSTR please 😊

Epic!

Alright, lightning doesn't work.

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This is awesome.

For what it’s worth, there are legitimate issues with lightning payments depending on your setup.

For example, maybe I’m an idiot, but I had a roughly 90% payment failure rate with the Breez wallet. Phoenix works almost flawlessly. Mutiny wallet was great until they shut down. It’s possible some of the naysayers have tried Lightning via those apps and got burned over and over and have a hard time looking past that.

There are legitimate issues, which is why I highlight ongoing development, but:

1) medium-of-exchange usage in broad crypto is low outside of stablecoins. So Lightning is operating with that backdrop.

2) Many people wanted to use Lightning fully self-custodially, and perhaps it was over-marketed as such. It’s a 10x or 100x scaling improvement for bitcoin between entities, but there are still limitations for small users. Which is where it can combine with other tech.

3) The numbers are actually solid relative to how private it is, with no speculative token. Pure utility. Slow burn adoption.

LN is a genuine innovation, and the level of decentralization it permits is way understated... there is already thousands of channels, imagine that in payment clearinghouse and interbank transfer networks, there isn't more than about 50 of those in the world, already there is more, i'm even operating three at the moment

Of course we wanted to use it non-custodially.

It was promised as a solution to scale Bitcoin, not to make it custodial with enormous privacy downsides.

I agree with your points and don’t want to come off as dismissive of lightning. I’m grateful for it and all the work being done in the ecosystem.

I personally don’t mind the friction at this phase of adoption, but I’ve made the mistake of recommending lightning wallets to newcomers and when they run into the sharp edges it can set them back. Now I only recommend on-chain to anyone who hasn’t been sufficiently orange pilled.

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Legend🫔

Happy for you too!šŸ™ŒšŸ»

Nicely done nostr:nprofile1qqsw4v882mfjhq9u63j08kzyhqzqxqc8tgf740p4nxnk9jdv02u37ncpzpmhxue69uhh2uewwf38ytnzd9hszymhwden5te0wfjkcctev93xcefwdaexwch6ler! For what it’s worth, if someone wants to easily add another layer of privacy while also keeping it super simple, they can fire up nostr:npub1ajlrwgfj4yerhqf7ady03h7wmtk2qr3gs7h3sxcx83k05yld36sswpzx3q and the lightning payment they receive will be automatically converted into Liquid. They can then send it on to where ever they want, be that a lightning or bitcoin wallet or whatever, via a private transaction. Yes, this incurs a small fee, but it’s quite reasonable for the benefits.

I think Aqua Wallet is doing great work.

Agreed, not the best for daily use with liquid fees but I've had non tech people set up as a first step and they can use tether as well which can be a great selling point

God bless and guide you properly in all you do If you haven't switched to the QFS and signed up for your Quantum Access Account yet,I want to urge you to do so while you still have the time

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Procrastination kills slowly and before you realize yourself it might be too late

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God bless and guide you properly in all you do If you haven't switched to the QFS and signed up for your Quantum Access Account yet,I want to urge you to do so while you still have the time

Procrastination is a mindset. It is the condition of the mind that says ā€œI’ll do it tomorrow.ā€ or ā€œI just don’t feel like it right now. When we procrastinate, we put off something important in exchange for doing something else, even if that thing is nothing at all. Think about it. If you choose to do nothing, technically you are still choosing to do something.

Procrastination kills slowly and before you realize yourself it might be too late

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LBTC is issued by a federation of companies which earns all the fees and controls the network.

How is this not a shitcoin?

Simple: it is built on bitcoin as a layer 2 side chain. Also, I am not suggesting staying in Liquid, but rather passing through it to remove the public traceability of transactions.

It is "built on bitcoin" like WBTC on ethereum is "built on bitcoin".

Likely WBTC is more decentralized than the Federal

Reserve of Blockstream.

No, it’s verifiably backed 1:1 by bitcoin. https://help.blockstream.com/hc/en-us/articles/900001408623-How-does-Liquid-Bitcoin-L-BTC-work

nostr:npub1jg552aulj07skd6e7y2hu0vl5g8nl5jvfw8jhn6jpjk0vjd0waksvl6n8n did start it, but it is managed by a group, not just them. Again, I’m not saying hold L-BTC, I’m saying take advantage of its privacy perks on the way to another lightning or bitcoin wallet.

WBTC is backed 1:1 too. šŸ˜‰

It is a shitcoin but it's useful

Wow! Great push. Mark could and should have had Strike send those sats to his cold storage because strike and cash app will do so 50,000 sats for free, no mining free, as long as you can wait 24 hours and usually this happens in about 3 to 5.

Strike will send 4M sats to cold storage for free if you choose 24 hours… have done it a couple times

If Mark sent the amount he received from Lyn to my Lightning address, it would make for a great narrative arc…

ln sender is anonymous out of the box. people who say lightning does not work probably tried it on testnet, that has really been broken for a while. it is tricky and expensive to run a self-custodial lightning wallet, that's what burns most beginners. but solutions like Aqua are a good first step.

Strike is not permissionless. And bitcoin is meant to be used by anyone, not just those in a "safe" jurisdiction.

While lightning UX has improved over the years, it is still nowhere near ready for non-technical (or even technical) people to use in a truly sovereign, private and reliable way.

Strike is KYC.

Meme time: And it's gone. (All of your privacy)

For that many sats this gent better include zaps, nostr relays, and blossom server in his next sci-fi book

Not permissionless on his end if using strike though. At that point how is it better than cash-app or venmo?

Did you read the part that touches on custody?

I did. Okay so sender privacy is better that's fair.

Still think it's off the mark to brag about things being permissionless and working flawlessly with a larger than average payment when the receiver is on a custodial solution with a bitcoin bank. I have strong doubts that would have worked if he was using his own node.

That is the "problem" with bitcoin and even nostr. It is complicated and not worth the hassle for the normal person. With Stike (while not as pure as the virgin mary) made it "easy" (reduced the friction) enough to use bitcoin & lightning and receive a payment in an instant.

Just download the app and I'll send it to you versus self-hosting your own node.

Most people do not and will NEVER want that (even though it is the best way to maximize the technology)

Both ways are needed to maximize adoption.

Why is "maximizing adoption" the goal? Good ux without sacrificing privacy and sovereignty should be the goal. If 80% of normies are never gonna use it correctly anyway, why are we chasing them down and making sacrifices to get them to use it poorly? When the goal is popularity you will get this kind of product.

There are bitcoin apps you can download and "just use" without sacrificing sovereignty if you use onchain, even without your own node (though it's better with). Fees are low. There's little need for lightning. I don't outright hate lightning, but it has yet to deliver what it was advertised as and it's almost 10 years old.

Also Mary had other kids, she didn't stay a virgin.

Look into Monero. You are ready for it!

I'm not against it, I just haven't taken the time.

Why? The more people adopt it, the more opportunities are available that it can be used daily.

With bitcoin both ways can be used together. Just because someone else uses a custodian, doesn't mean you have to, but if no such custodian exists, they won't bother with bitcoin at all and then the opportunity to exchange bitcoin instead of fiat is gone.

The "purist" mentality that ALL must use bitcoin in the most self-sovereign form is what will hold it back. I think that is the way it should be used, but I realize only a tiny minority of people will ever do it. It is like the Richard Stallman stance, not that he is wrong about free software... but the majority will never adopt his purism stance.

But I guess we can all just HODL our bitcoin and zap each other.

Conversely if people keep using these things in permissioned, custodial, registered ways and then get rugged or reported they're worse than if they'd used cash.

Instead of fixing issues at the protocol or even app layer, "solution as a service" gets promoted and then people give up trying to fix the original issue. Influencers and service providers use the social layer to promote their products and say people who are critical arent trying, which is disingenuous.

I don't care about having Saylor or the general public validating my choice to acquire and use Bitcoin. I care that it works when I need it.

I'm not talking about being "validated", I'm talking about increasing the number of opportunities to use bitcoin

That sounds good but what do you actually mean by it? Im not just being contrarian. In an ideal scenario for you, are you paid in bitcoin and paying for everything in bitcoin? Or are you using Bitcoin for privacy and censorship resistance specifically? The answers to those questions determine the way you approach it and therefore the outcomes that you get.

To nostr:nprofile1qqsw4v882mfjhq9u63j08kzyhqzqxqc8tgf740p4nxnk9jdv02u37ncpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgjwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxlha6p9 ā€˜s original point, have you tried a large payment like that on your own Lightning infrastructure? ā€œStrong doubtsā€ sound like you have not. That dude that claimed the bounty has not worked on figuring it out and trying it. He’s just fortunate that Strike exists and made it easy. FYI I routinely send and receive payments larger than that over lightning in a non-custodial way. It works well and gives me quite a few unique benefits. Not saying that as a flex, but trying to offer a data point rather than an assumption. 😃

Yes and there are several merchants in the comments here (even more important for them) who run into payments failing to go through. When you're a merchant, a failed payment will lose you customers. I'm not just blowing smoke. I wish it worked better. If you want proof that I made the effort and have been there since ye olden days:

Man I don’t know what to say. It feels like we are living in different worlds.

This was epic.

The example you describe, "receiving funds with lightning" is not trivial at all in a self custodial way.

Even when you open your own channel with an initial on chain transaction, you can not receive funds.

You do not have inbound liquidity.

You have to either spend the amount you want to receive first - or rent inbound liquidity from a third party.

If this is not a terrible user experience, what is?

Lightning only works well when you trust third parties.

This is not a "p2p electronic currency".

It is a permissioned system provided by third parties.

Most people who onboard onto Bitcoin will be relying on 3rd parties. There's space for both. The key is optionality. You have the option to do it yourself with minimal upfront costs

The only reason why Bitcoin was created was to eliminate third parties.

It was actually to reduce reliance on third parties, that often betray the trust of their customers, so they can be more easily held accountable. Custodians will always exist.

it was made to be a p2p electronic currency.

scaling with something which does not work well for a normie without a third party is completely against what BTC was made for.

The p2p part is the computer network of nodes, an onchain tx is not p2p; miners are not your peers.

Lightning however is p2p.

In any event, the point was TRUSTED third parties, not third parties to begin with.

Not entering the discussion or making any point, just clearing op the lingo

Well in that case Lightning isnt necessarily p2p either. The hops between you and someone else you are paying isn't your peer. Unless you're directly opening a channel with that person which, let's be real, isn't the case for the vast majority of these transactions.

Those other hops are systemically on the same level as you; they are equals/peers.

That's why I said not necessarily. Depends if you're using your own node.

No. You said that it depends if you have a direct channel, which is wrong. You don't need a direct channel; intermediate hops/nodes are also peers.

It does depend on if you controll a node in the first place, yes, ofcourse.

In that case the difference just seems pedantic

Bitcoiners these days

"Onboarding through third parties"

"Privacy from fellow men more than enough"

"ETF's are so much more convenient than self-custody"

"Strategic reserve will make us all rich (in fiat)"

Bitcoiners are a disgrace. They completely lost the plot. Crazy how little fiat NGU bribing it took to get over former ideals. We're not even at $100k which represents a mere $40k in inflated fiat terms and people are sacrificing it all for the Mammon.

TLDR Lyn Alden initiates taxable event for Mark Jeffrey.

Yeah that's the sad part about sending to someone's strike address. Might as well just donate it to the government

Bingo

If someone just gives you any amount under 10k, you do not have to report that.

Let's not kid ourselves, Lyn and Mark are definitely reporting this.

#RegulatoryClarity

Great experiment. Just shows how much integrity most ppl have. It takes courage and principles to not change their opinions and convictions when they are bribed. I like what you did but find the receiving person spineless. Let us all act with more principles and integrity...we got where we are because of corruption. It needs to stop and all of us individually need to act accordingly.

Based šŸ”„

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A little Dylan for naysayers: "Your old road is rapidly agin’ ; Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend your hand"

amazing

Can’t wait to read your books. What a great mind

Price you pay for being in X 😜 .

Rad. What would have been even better would have been if he sent the sats back. Great story. Totally worth the price. Nicely done.

Lyn has a great thread about people who diss lightning: nostr:nevent1qgsw4v882mfjhq9u63j08kzyhqzqxqc8tgf740p4nxnk9jdv02u37ncqyprj9fvwrctx7gdfsencz9sf3cscqc9ruqpsk6pxza6xrhw7k94tq0l3c99

Lyn also observes that lightning has "boosted sender privacy." Which is true, but did you know? Lightning also has better *receiver* privacy than monero. Even if you use a bolt11 invoice, the sender learns less information than he would if you gave him your monero address.

Lightning is so cool!

Just when I couldn’t like you more, for the authentic, educated voice you bring to the Nostr + Bitcoin space, you went and multiplied my respect for you a thousand-fold.

I shared this story with my family who also see you as a powerful icon in our generation.

Thank you Lyn Alden!

We should all do something similar with people despising Nostr.

"If you post your npub within 10 minutes, I'll get you 10 real followers".

šŸ˜„

Nice

Brilliant! 🧔✨

With #cashu on nostr you don't even have to ask for any address, strictly speaking.

You can just lock ecash to anyone's pubkey and if you publish that on a relay that the other party sees and has access to(eg his inbox relays) then it's done. The money is there to be claimed, only spendable by that person.

Now, of course this is better UX if the recipient has published Mint preferences on nostr (like a LN address) because that's explicit trust in that Mint. In [SatShoot](https://satshoot.com) we only let parties pay each other with Cashu if recipient has this "preferred Mint List" event(kind10019) published.

But all that said, you indeed can prove that Cashu works in a *permissionless* way with nostr.

And btw, this can work if sender and recipient don't have overlapping Mints, or the recipient only has LN wallet. LN bridges that gap between the Mints and all of the Lightning network. I ask for a LN invoice from destination, and "melt" my ecash in exchange for payment of the LN invoice by my Mint.

Magic.

I guess you did stack hard enough šŸ’ŖšŸ˜‚

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Savage šŸ”„

This deserves a zap

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I fucking love that Lyn! Well done!

BTW, when some people say 'Lightning doesn't work' sometimes in fact they mean 'LN is not used (much)'. Which has some truth to it, but it's a different statement.

I think LN technically would be capable to handle much higher volume and intensity usage, but the limit is not technological, but the limited number of motivated actors, both on seller and buyer side.

If I have no wallet with enough inbound liquidity to receive $1700, would you say it works?

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I guess this tells us what 🧔

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I'm impressed you could send over 2 million SATs at once on Lightning. Custodial?

Lightning isn't required if someone is okay with custodial wallets. SQL database is enough.

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I guess $1700 to prove lightning trash talkers are full of shit is worth it.

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Great work Lyn!

Thanks Lyn! Keep pushing forward

Even the haters can't resist a free $1700.

Utility function won.

I hate lightning, please send sats :P

Now seriously, sending to strike is almost like sending mainchain coins to a Coinbase address.

And with mining fees under 1 sat/vbyte, it may be cheaper to use main chain.

it's not the same, if you use mainchain coins you leave a print that if don't poorly can lead to other knowing more about how much bitcoin you have

as Lyn did it, nobody can know how much bitcoin she has or make any connection to her.

we all know it was her because she said it publicly on twitter, but had it been a private conversation nobody outside the sender and receiver would have known that Lyn send it.

On the other hand the recipient has little privacy, but well that was his choice xD

Lyn, you are a gem! Cannot wait to read your sci-fi 🧔

yes true stay humble

Wow. I really like this way of thinking and challenging people actually.

You should get yours set up too! Missing out on sats just like the Lightning deniers

i dont think it works…

Lyn just casually handing out Lightning wake-up calls like it’s no big deal.

At this point, the ā€œLightning doesn’t workā€ crowd has two choices:

1ļøāƒ£ Accept a pile of sats and admit they were wrong.

2ļøāƒ£ Keep coping and stay fiat-poor.

Mark Jeffrey chose wisely. Others? Still fudding from the sidelines. #Bitcoin #LightningNetwork #FortNakamoto

I love your work Lyn. Some people seem to be prejudiced against lightning. Thanks for sharing

This is a great read.

Bitcoin content creators - this is a great thing to read out on your live shows and streams!

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So many people are like this guy. They just repeat what they heard and trust but did not verify. Good for you. šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘

Steep price to pay to educate him but a great lesson that we all need to push past the deniers that just don't know what they are talking about.

Thanks šŸ‘

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LIGHTNING WILL NEVER SCALE! PROVE ME WRONG SO BAD! šŸ˜‚

Come on and stop fronting. We all know lightning doesn't/won't work. Which is why BTC is only a SOV on L1. There's always failures with it hardly doesn't work. Prove me wrong

But lightning just works, AND IT'S PRIVATE.

ONLY the retarded purists and LARPERS are the ones that bitch and moan.

Easy, convenient, to the point. That's what money should be.

In a world of purity tests and larping maxiamlists the pragmatists win.

Let's keep pushing forward, we only win when we do shit.

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U r doing the Lord’s Work

Well done Lyn!

Here's how Dan Held responded when when I politely pointed out that he's full of shit as it pertains to Nostr.

He took the path of cowards.

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A few days ago I got my staff to download Wallet of Satoshi. I paid them on Lightning and they could immediately withdraw/spend/convert to Mpesa (KES) via nostr:npub1tand04svfdhrt7lhg6687fh0y2xvxfpr9nkkj27rqfrxfpeklldsp48sax

the magic part was how quickly they grokked the whole process cos they insisted on how they can buy/earn more sats and save % of their wages in btc.

If Lightning works in Kenya, then it works everywhere šŸ˜€ nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a