-Would you give your credit card details in a public thread?

-A lot of the time, the privacy that people want is from randos. If it's way harder for randos to identify payments, that's a big privacy boost.

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ok then

better than a credit card.

but I assume you know that isn't the point.

people have real privacy needs and that still falls into the category of "cute"

I'm not saying good privacy on LN isn't possible

but that doesn't demonstrate it.

in fact it encourages a misunderstanding of what privacy is.

lol go touch some grass mate

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trying to win an argument at all costs can make you look stupid

fortunately you dont need to try and it comes naturally

Lol, credit cards and the banking system are abstractions and like most abstractions, eg Cashu, are more private than Bitcoin...

Privacy and Bitcoin shouldn't be in the same sentence, unless one is willing to go through an intermediatary like Strike or Cashu...

And sorry, but that's a non starter...

The problem is that LN creates problems rather than solving them.

Someone using Zeus embedded node should open a channel with 100k-1mil sats...

Or God forbid, they need hardware to run their own node and keep it online.

Then manage liquidity...

Anyway my point is that you end up pushing people to custodial solutions the more you push these layers with massive UX issues on people.

And that's fucked...

We have convinced people that they're bitcoiners when they're effectively reverting to the fiat system of IOUs...

Ffs

KYC or Custodial solutions... It's all bullshit... Damn it people!!! There are other solutions...

ok so LN is better than credit cards

and internet randos cant trace the source of funds.

thats a pretty low bar for "privacy" 😕

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Sure, why not?

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CVV: 359

Pin: 8896

Expiration Date: 2/28

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not the best example perhaps

but the point stands

we pay counterparties with CC all the time

and it is "private"

if being able to publicly post an invoice is the big advantage,

maybe we need to rethink this.