If spammers use vpns to try to get around ip blocks the vpn will be banned, i don’t know what to say. I don’t understand why people are surprised or upset about this.

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banned by relays one by one in time and still not banned in some, or banned by many relays at the same time. thats the difference i am talking about. when you start sending notes to ban IPs and relays start to listen to those, with so much political powers like you it is a slippery slope 😅

then use a relay that promises to not ip ban, and watch if fill with spam and die.

Otherwise just use a paid relay or your own.

could I ask how is this solution different from centralised platform? we go for a one solution of banning people due to the act of small group? this go against the very principle we are fighting for here on nostr. Is it just me that recommending people to spin up their own relay as if every average folk is as techy as those who run/own relay is hindering people to use nostr? As clever as you are I am certain you understand the sentiments of other people here. I am sure you will find a better way. I don't agree that banning VPN users because spammers could use the same IP is not logical to me. It is like saying that hackers are thieves, techy and bad. Does this mean all techy people are hackers and bad? ☺️

I could shut down the damus relay today, is that censorship? no, you would just use other relays.

It makes sense if only one relay is down. Am I misreading your note? It mentioned that technically speaking if you broadcast the IP which you block listed (as spammers) to other relays, inevitably, those relays may block that IP too. In a nutshell, this method is not as simple as shutting one relay. But it means other users cannot use other relays after it receives your broadcast. However, I maybe misunderstanding it. Don't get me wrong, 💯 agree of getting rid of the spammers. I am only suggesting is the method above the only way? I'll leave this thought to you, the expert. 👌☺️