Does anyone understand what is the point of "sovereign rollups"?
Yes, it's a shitcoiner thing, but I want to understand what is going on in the minds of these disturbed people. The concept makes no sense to me as "data availability" is not a problem if you don't care about keep a trustless peg.
Much of shitcoin world makes no sense if you really think about it.
The damage it’s done is real though. Just today my mother rolled her eyes at me when i mentioned bitcoin. The drama from shitcoins bleeds over for non-orange pilled people.
Not damage. Bitcoin continues to die in the minds of no coiners. Every time it doesn’t die it prompts a level of self reflection and interest. Eventually it’s enough for them to start asking questions and seeking answers. Game theory plays out. Bitcoin black hole swallows another. Cycle continues until hyperbitcoinization.
the point of a fruit roll up is the data is available and gets transferred to your tongue 😏 
Marketing.
Like advertising a shitcoin as having "Nakamoto consensus"
No point. Mastercoin redux
Intellectually dishonest shitcoin narratives infesting Bitcoin space
Not to say we can't have trustless peg
Apsolutely no one will run a node so they just off load it to bitcoin nodes.
They still have to run a node, though, which is why I don't get it.
It’s not a shitcoin thing unless it’s used for shitcoins - on Bitcoin it’s a way to do sidechains.
Presumably if you’re using rollups on Bitcoin it’s to do something with the monetary use case, where you’d want trustlessness.
Scaling with zero knowledge proofs is a real thing and also being explored in bitcoin.
The section on alchemysts focuses primarily on efforts to turn base metals into gold. Mackay notes that many of these practitioners were themselves deluded, convinced that these feats could be performed if they discovered the correct old recipe or stumbled upon the right combination of ingredients. Although alchemists gained money from their sponsors, mainly noblemen, he notes that the belief in alchemy by sponsors could be hazardous to its practitioners, as it wasn't rare for an unscrupulous noble to imprison a supposed alchemist until he could produce gold.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds
From what I know so far, they are the adult version of fruit rollups.
initially it’s just a way to run shitcoins on bitcoin’s blockchain.
but the hope is that it prompts us to incorporate some kind of proof verification mech and covenant op code that would get you trustless pegged btc
I am not talking about specifically the "Bitcoin version" of the sovereign rollups. The concept exists outside of Bitcoin. It's a generic idea that some people apparently see value in, I am trying to understand why.
