Bitcoiners that are still on Twitter and not on nostr are larpers.
They can talk the talk but are too scared to walk the walk.
But muh followers!!! Bluchekkkk.
Wah. Cry me a river little bitch. Grow some balls. Have some conviction.
Walk the walk.
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😂 well said
That just sounds angry to me. I don’t use Twitter, but I see the benefit of bitcoiners in the space to tell people about alternatives before the flood takes the platform and they also leave.
I am angry lol. Something earlier today triggered me a bit. Im normally quite an agreeable person I promise! But we are emotional creatures so there's that.
That said, I am fine with bitcoiners on both Twitter AND nostr. There is a lot of merit and value in having ambassadors.
It's those who are staunchly anti nostr or making excuses not to be here that I find extremely hypocritical. I have very little tolerance for those types of people.
Don’t let em get to you 😄! Time will convince them.
Nostr will simply be much more interesting in the long run.
Thanks - just needed to vent for a moment. I'm good 😁
I'm very happy with where nostr is today. Honestly, the more people that show up, the more the culture here will change.
We're lucky to be here in a time when most of nostr is very like-minded and mostly filled with mature, based plebs with high conviction and morals. That will change over time. But that may be a sacrifice we nostr OGs must make for the betterment of social interaction in an internet world.
Define what a "bitcoiner" is? Labels lead to centralization
A bitcoiner is one who believes in what bitcoin stands for. One who believes in what bitcoin brings to the world. One who wants to help foster and usher in a world where bitcoin is the standard. A bitcoiner is a person who believes in freedom and self sovereignty. A bitcoiner can be all or any one of those things.
I have a hard time believing that anyone who understands bitcoin and believes in what bitcoin can do for the world would ever choose centralized twitter over decentralized nostr if they actually had conviction in what they say.
Their fear, greed and selfishness outweighs their conviction.
And who decided this?
Definitions are decided by those who utter a common language through accepted use. Don't try to be witty by pretending like you don't know what "bitcoiner" means. If you've got a point, please make it, I'm happy to debate and have a conversation. But trying to trap me with vague questions over semantics is not productive.
The point is if you believe decentralization can bring about a better world, then get off of a centralized platform and join a decentralized protocol. Stop larping and do as you say.
Im not trying to trap you. Its just wveryone throws that term arpund. I sure did. But lately yall all soumd like fucking communist hippies talkimg about building communities and what. Community=centralization. Stop saying you are a bitcoiner and refer to yourself as an individual. Groups are not decentralized. And everyone of yall "bitcoiners" shit on anyone that doesnt use lightning which is.....im not even going to say it becsuse most of yall refuse to see the real problems and just say what every shitcoiner says. "It isnt perfect but we are getting there! You know what is perfect right now? L1 and UTXO's. These " bitcoiners" you refer to have hijacked bitcoin's github and silenxe those that speak out. Any criticism of lightning is imkideitly silenced. So yeah i am still cinfused wtf a bitcoiner is
OK I see where you are coming from. I believe being a bitcoiner (or the usage of such a broad label) and being an individual are not mutually exclusive.
I respectfully do not agree that community = centralization because I'm coming at it from a global perspective. Being in a small community empowers individual agency when stacked against the rest of the world. If we all acted as only individuals and choose not to be a part of any community, you will not have the leverage and power to affect change whenbthe rest of the world bands together amd actively works in opposition ton what you believe. However, from an individual perspective I can absolutely see where you are coming from though. The blind homonogization of opinions does create a singular attack vector. But the proof is here in this conversation... I believe you and I are both bitcoiners (however you wish to define it) but we can still be individuals and have opposing opinions on specific points. To each their own.
When looking at the world as a whole, pockets of small circular economies amd communities provide agency for individuals. These communities of like minded people can live their lives in harmony as they choose to. They can leverage network effects and cause greater change. Too large of a community in the context of the whole DOES create centralization but I think how those individuals function independently within the community affects whether that community is a centralizing force or not.
I disagree that lightning is centralization, would love to hear your side of it. Lightning nodes are mostly individual bitcoiners running their own nodes. Yes there are large central entities involved but they can be bypassed and they do not control what happens with lightning or bitcoin as a whole.
I do not think that bitcoin as an L1 is the end all solution as there are certain deficiencies in specific situations such as transaction settlement times in a retail environment. Just a common example that I'm sure you've heard many times before.
I don't shit on those who choose to only use L1 bitcoin and not lightning. Use it or not is your own perogative. But as a small business owner and as a freedom loving individual, I do use it and I benefit from it on a daily basis. I do believe it is a better system than the legacy financial rails we use today and that makes it worthy of my time. I believe widespread adoption of lightning is a net benefit to the world.
The crux of my argument here is that anyone who believes in decentralization (i think we can agree this is a core tenant of the bitcoiner ethos) should be on nostr and transition away from X. I can appreciate nuance and there needs to be an adjustment period since we still live in a centralized fiat world. But we need to all individually work towards the greater vision of decentralization one step at a time.
I have been down these same arguments time and time again and I could respond to all of them but then i would have to gp in to details on why it is not evil or unrealistic and that is a lot of typing and I have big thumbs on a little screen with autocorrect off so would rather not go through that. So hopefully I can get you to entertain me while I attempt a different approach to this argument. Usually I would just call you a commie and laugh at you while you try to explain in a concrete way why you aren't and I use an abstract way to point out you are and on and on we go. So lets try this:
The big thing about bitcoin is self sovereignty. The most sovereign people are kings. They answer to no one. You probably first thought of game of thrones or a real king like Henry the 8th or someome. But that kind of king is sustainable in a bitcoin world because we all know it makes cruelty and war unprofitable. Although I would argue we have been given a misleading narrative about kinhs and queens from the past intentipnally by the church but that is just me. Imagine yourself as a bitcoin king and imagine what kind of king you would be in today with all the technology we have. What incentive do you have to rule over others?
The only way to do it over a long period of time is lightning. If I was a king that wanted to rule over people I would need a booming economy to keep paying my troops not to kill me and instead protect me. That then leads to very centralized lightning networks. Dont believe me? Bitcoin beach was closed off from anyone outside their private lightning network for years. Eveb if you went and visited El Salvador. It was ezclusive to locals for years and if you wanted to pay them using lightning you had to use a third party custodial service. Even afyer they enacted the law.
Why would I sacrafice my individualism and sovereignty to join a community where i am asked to sacragice for the greater good? That communist shit. Community leads to communism. I would rather be a good king and make profitable moves. If I don't I will go broke and eventually lose my sovereignty
Sorry I pushed post before I corrected my fat finger spelling mistakes. Here it is again with less retarded spelling
I have been down these same arguments time and time again, and I could respond to all of them, but then I would have to go into details on why it is not evil or unrealistic, and that is a lot of typing. I have big thumbs on a little screen with autocorrect off, so I would rather not go through that. So hopefully, I can get you to entertain me while I attempt a different approach to this argument. Usually, I would just call you a commie and laugh at you while you try to explain in a concrete way why you aren't, and I use an abstract way to point out you are, and on and on we go. So let's try this:
The big thing about Bitcoin is self-sovereignty. The most sovereign people are kings. They answer to no one. You probably first thought of Game of Thrones or a real king like Henry the 8th or someone. But that kind of king is sustainable in a Bitcoin world because we all know it makes cruelty and war unprofitable. Although I would argue we have been given a misleading narrative about kings and queens from the past intentionally by the church, but that is just me. Imagine yourself as a Bitcoin king and imagine what kind of king you would be today with all the technology we have. What incentive do you have to rule over others?
The only way to do it over a long period of time is lightning. If I was a king that wanted to rule over people, I would need a booming economy to keep paying my troops not to kill me and instead protect me. That then leads to very centralized lightning networks. Don't believe me? Bitcoin Beach was closed off from anyone outside their private lightning network for years. Even if you went and visited El Salvador. It was exclusive to locals for years and if you wanted to pay them using lightning, you had to use a third-party custodial service. Even after they enacted the law.
Why would I sacrifice my individualism and sovereignty to join a community where I am asked to sacrifice for the greater good? That's communist shit. Community leads to communism. I would rather be a good king and make profitable moves. If I don't, I will go broke and eventually lose my sovereignty
lol everyone is still on twitter/x only dumbasses delete their account 😂 just ask #[0] and #[1] ,everyone on nostr are either bots or ai 😂
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Everyone left on bitcoin Twitter thinks that they are an influencer.
They are. To each other.
I agree, but it’s easy for me since I’ve been banned for life from Twitter.
Sometimes the hand is forced. Either way, happy you're here!
I have double the following I ever had on Twitter
I never expected it either; that’s what happens with the law of attraction
Staying on Twitter and not (at the very least) also being on nostr is such a high time preference fiat mindset.
I get that some people have a lot of followers amd they don't want to lose that work they've put in. But that's so shortsighted, hanging onto ragged coat tails of fiat overlords like that.
If you legitimately built your audience once, you can do it again. Arguably a LOT easier here than there. If your audience is full of bots... well... look in a mirror and face reality. Fear of reality is not an excuse for a bitcoiner. That's fiatbrain taking hold.
Network effects can be absolutely massive here on nostr. Everyone just needs to let go of their fear of failure. Nothing is gained when it's built on wet sand.
and there’s nothing more antithetical to the wet sand of an has-been “social media” platform than the rock solid foundation of a censorship resistant, public key encrypted protocol
#nostr will always win out 🤙💜
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Had to look up “Larper”
Agreed 👍
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Staying on twitter and praying decentralization 🤣🤣
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They are either hypocrites or missing the forest for the trees. Ignorance shouldn't be an excuse for much longer.
Either way...
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Tell me, how being on Twitter believing a non existance chairmam glorifying kiddie tiddlers are a good thing, oh wait, what am i saying, fake and deceptive scams appear to be the norm for the gringos.
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