i’m not deep enough to opine yet, but jb55 was implying that’s not a payer proof without bolt12 #[5]

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Mmm … my understanding is that a sender can prove a payment was delivered by supplying the pre-image. That said, a relay would have to prove that the pre-image and payment_hash was indeed relevant for that tip. That may be resolved with HODL invoices.

Bolt12 includes payer proofs. If we ever see wide bolt12 support, youd be able to have a “receipt” for the ln payment.

First we need it to ship 😂

Hearing that a major lightning player might not ship it

Why’s that?

No payer proof can stop him from reseling the note