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I find the AI safety stuff so incredibly cringe.

They are scared of what they don't know. All new tech has that property, like electricity, cell phones, microwaves and even writing. This is especially the case in a fiat system where Luddites can not just FUD everything, but steal from everyone else to do it.

The doomerism is a projection. They feel their own influence and market power diminishing and project that out onto the rest of society. But of course, that's not how it works. AI will be a great tool for humanity, but it can easily get stifled like nuclear energy through regulation. We must not let that happen.

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Habanero 2y ago

All of those things you listed (electricity, microwaves, nuclear) have incredible risks and have killed many people who did not take caution with new technology. Powerful tools must be treated with caution and respect.

Low Information Voter 2y ago

All of those things he listed have killed orders of magnitude fewer people than the things they can replace (leather belt power transmission, briquette coal stoves, coal-fired power stations).

Every day those technologies have been delayed is another pile of human corpses.

Haters sorry wen?

Habanero 2y ago

What? Leather belt power transmission? What are you on about?

So your argument is: you're absolutely correct but but but whale blubber candles killed people in the past!!!! Haters sooo Madd lulz

Habanero 2y ago

Just to be clear; I could give two squirts of piss about AI being regulated by a government body... move fast and break as much shit as possible. I DO care about a government body regulating nuclear power, electrical generation, and radio/microwave frequencies... as you can kill alot of people if you don't set standards. I find Jimmy analogy to be dumb and misguided.

geodesic 2y ago

Wait.... who is Jimmy Analogy? Sounds like a cool guy

Low Information Voter 2y ago

The main user of electricity is industry.

Before industry used electricity, they used power transmission in the form of spinning leather belts, high pressure steam, or direct use of coal / coalgas flame.

Millions of Westerners were killed or maimed in the 1800s. China is only phasing out coal-fired boilers since 1990s.

Sue your highschool, for failure to educate.

Habanero 2y ago

Again, your argument has zero to do with my original statement. Whatever random tangent you choose to go off on does not invalidate what I said.

Low Information Voter 2y ago

You were wrong on every one of those points just now.

And Western governments were wrong on every one of those points then, and are wrong on AI now.

Ignorance doesn't just happen, especially not today. It requires a disciplined, lifelong commitment to avoiding learning.

We need to stop delegating power, especially to the ignorant.

Habanero 2y ago

Habanero: "All of those things you listed (electricity, microwaves, nuclear) have incredible risks and have killed many people who did not take caution"

You are saying this statement is wrong?

Low Information Voter 2y ago

It's like you didn't read my first post.

Respect to your lifelong commitment, bro!

Habanero 2y ago

Again, I don't know what you're on about? You must be arguing against some imaginary statement in your mind...

geodesic 2y ago

All hail retardking

Low Information Voter 2y ago

How someone can be clueful enough to install a nostr app, yet so uninformed about the history of technology, is a damning indictment of Western education.

I'm not superstitious, but this is one of those footsteps-on-our-collective-graves moments.

The Beave 2y ago

Have you ever heard a belt powered factory, though? Gosh, it's quieter than you'd expect and there's a wonderful cadence to things. It's so soothing...

Low Information Voter 2y ago

I've been inside one! Amazingly simple yet ingenious tech. Scary are f--- with all those belts, but pretty quiet. Was making repro wagons and wagon wheels.

I'm sure many factories of that era were less quiet, though! Metal stamping and forging etc

The Beave 2y ago

Oh, sure, but you don't have the blast of pneumatics or the whinr of motors. Even if power hammers are quiet aside from the striking, of course.

Low Information Voter 2y ago

I believe you!

Output per worker, per death, per megajoule, per tonne of CO2 and per unit area skyrocketed with the introduction of electricity, to return to the original topic.

Government (and monopolist) actions to delay this led to so many needless deaths... :(

424ad77e... 2y ago

It's an attempt to create a moat

TTHD 2y ago

The new AI stuff is scary because it works and nobody really knows how it works.

CitizenPleb 2y ago

“Safety” and regulation are simply ways to make artificial moats and keep it centralized among deep pocketed big tech.

MaxMaxi 2y ago

Safe and Aleks agree with you. https://fountain.fm/episode/FJEAo1HxEg2wqoyZyoG4