> DNMs won't use lightning

The following DNMs use lightning:

Robosats: http://robodexarjwtfryec556cjdz3dfa7u47saek6lkftnkgshvgg2kcumqd.onion/

Bisq: https://bisq.network/

Shopstr: http://sva5te372puuuyhnp4mrspewm76x2jqnzgctdfde474owrdonu4xyoyd.onion/

> exchanges don't ban lightning

Oh yeah? https://protos.com/kraken-drops-lightning-network-in-germany-for-regulatory-issues/

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These are NOT dnms and he knows it.

These onion services have completely different threat assessments than a DNM.

and that they use LN cannot be considered a stress test of the network under adversarial conditions.

> These are NOT dnms and he knows it

They are per the definition used by law enforcement and by wikipedia. If you've got a strange stricter definition of "it only counts if drugs are widely sold there," that's a you-problem

> These onion services have completely different threat assessments than a DNM

Nope. They have very similar threat assessments, for the following reason:

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/paxful-inc-co-founder-pleads-guilty-conspiracy-fail-maintain-effective-anti-money-laundering

shopstr is a clearnet site. why do you keep doing this? please be more honest. everyone knows what is meant by DNM and I am asking you for more than just useless pilpul over and over again.

https://shopstr.store/

I linked to the Tor domain

Thanks to clearnet proxies, any dnm can be used on clearnet

They are DNMs if they are a marketplace accessible via Tor or similar, there is no requirement that they somehow eliminate all clearnet versions too

So when Facebook, reddit, Pornhub, etc had onion domains were those DNMs?

he has done this specifically to me like five times. he's not going to change his mind on this

he apparently has a lot invested in making it sound like LN is used for purchases in adversarial conditions

redefining what we all call DNMs to

"anything that has a .onion"

is convenient for him.

Facebook Marketplace is

I don't think the others have marketplaces

LOL

I'm sure there's subreddits where buyers and sellers meet, also there is porn subscriptions so I don't see why all three of these wouldn't be DNMs. Just different rules for each platform.

Actually anyone could proxy a market to an onion domain and it wouldn't be possible to know otherwise. Therefore, you couldn't actually prove any online shopping isn't a DNM. right?