A basic admission that you simply choose to believe what you want to believe and don't really care about observable evidence.

Smallpox was eradicated globally, improved sanitation is localized in only some countries.

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I do observe. I'm unvaccinated and healthy, and so are my teenagers. I had a father who took statins on doctor's orders, and he died soon after. There's my empirical evidence, and no amount of Google Scholar links will make me forget how deadly pharma can be.

My brother died at 43 after 3 years on and off with statins. His leg muscles atrophied and he looked like shit for his age.

Midwits are great at spouting back nonsense they learned in public indoctrination camps. Trust your own good given common sense.

The fact that anyone critical of vaccines and pharmaceutical companies is routinely censored should be enough for anyone with a few brain cells to see what is going on.

Precisely. Sorry to hear about your brother. It was the muscles in my dad's neck that the statins immediately affected, then he developed a huge cancerous tumor in precisely that spot. He was 100% sure that the statins caused the cancer

I’m sorry for your loss.

Statins are absolute poison.

If you want a healthy heart, stop eating seed oils and processed foods.

My dad was starting to exhibit early signs of dementia (81 yrs old) and was on statins for many years. He stopped taking them a few months ago and he is doing much, much better mentally.

You were never exposed to smallpox. Because the vaccine eradicated it.

I'll definitely take your 3 cases of people who didn't get a disease they were never exposed to over the millions of deaths that just stopped globally. :rolleyes:

Statins are a strawman here. I won't chase it. They aren't a vaccine and aren't even for a virus like smallpox. This is just a way to always hide behind another "because I chose what I will believe against evidence and I will always dodge to another subject when shown evidence"

Your evidence is based on statistics, which are easily manipulated, whereas my evidence comes from the very real experience of my family. In other words, my ideas are based on real experience rather than questionable data, and I'll take experience over data any day of the week. Anyway, what do you care? Just go and have as many vaccines as you think advisable (if there is a limit) and smile and enjoy life while you still can

I'm not here for you. You'll never change your mind. I'm here for people who might read your inability to spot that someone might have more than 1 health issue and not immediately spot it themselves.

Your relative also took a piss before they died. Better start retaining your urine now, peeing kills you. See how dumb that reasoning looks when we swap a few words?

I don't know what killed your relative. I do know the health risks of statins and how to prevent them, which most doctors won't recommend and most patients won't comply with anyway. (Take coq10 or better yet ubiquinol and exercise) I do know a logical fallacy when I see one. I do know that with the number of people prescribed statins lots of people on statins are going to die for all sort of reasons just because it is a huge number of people on them.

I made a very narrow proclamation about a single vaccine saving millions of lives. The facts support me. You are just moving the goal posts around after I scored to continue living in denial.

Your team set the rules to a single case of vaccines benefiting humanity means they lost, not me.

Thanks, Bill! If another relative takes statins and develops cancer, I will pass on your medical expertise.

Dude, that is the stupidest possible conclusion you could have arrived at based on what I said.

200 million people on statins. Out of a population that size some will get completely unrelated cancer. Only someone who is willfully ignorant of statistics will insist they must be related.

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. This same logic can be used to “prove” that the covid vaccine works. The rate of covid deaths, which were all bullshit numbers anyway, have gone down. People aren’t dying from covid as much as they were in 2020. Based on this logic, the Covid vaccine would be responsible for saving the world from Covid. It is clearly not. It’s just a correlation and the fraudulent doctors and pharma scammers took advantage.

Covid mutated into less deadly forms.

Smallpox never did that. 1000 years of recorded outbreaks. It never decreased in fatalities, it just went away altogether.

Correlation doesn't equal causation, but that doesn't apply here because we have a documented method of action.

See what I’ve read is that they were trying to make Covid stronger. That the new strains were deadlier. It’s all nonsense. The narratives are inconsistent.

I don’t believe the history or the statistics behind smallpox. Where did smallpox even come from?

Basic evolution makes viruses less deadly over time. A virus that kills its host kills itself and any chance to replicate.

An evolutionarily ideal virus has 0 symptoms and a long shedding period. That means we never isolate from the sick for maximum transmission of copies it made of itself. Remember, more copies of my genes is all evolution is optimizing for.

SARS was a great example. It never fixated in society because it had no period where the sick shed the virus without symptoms so it had the bad habit of killing off the host before it spread to its next victim. Covid was closely related but it had a long shedding period before symptoms so you could spread it before you knew you were sick and it was less likely to kill you so you have more time to spread it.

I'm an atheist. Not watching a 2.5hr video that blames satan for the common cold.

Did you take the Covid vaccine?

Not really relevant unless you want a yes just so that you can ignore arguments I've made that you don't know how to refute otherwise. You wouldn't try to be that lazy would you?

I've made my position on doctors and their advice clear before. Western medicine has been corrupted by the laywers. That means that it is best at treating acute conditions that can lead to legal liability for the doctors. Newer research is legally risky for the doctor. Action creates legal risk, so long time horizon issues that create no legal liability for the doctors are ignored. Testing is minimized to a narrow set of best practices so that they don't discover an issue that they legally should act on creating new liability risk by their new action, better for liability to not know and not act.

Once you grasp that core cause of corruption you can see more clearly when they should be trusted and when you need to avoid them and find another solution. So many on here proudly anti doctor all the way. That means they have no clue their status on silent killers like blood sugar, blood pressure, or serum cholesterol. That shit will kill you and you'll never see it coming until it is too late. Of course slow course of action and the ability for the doctor to blame your diet and exercise means that the typical western doctor is terrible about how to correct these issues if they arise.

Another example is my leaky gut issues. My regular doctor was NEVER going to find that or get me on the path to getting better. Too newly discovered, too risky to hunt for and treat. Sure it messed up my numbers on the 3 silent killers, but there are established low liability ways to force those numbers back into range without treating the root cause. I had to spend a ton of money out of pocket on a specialist that I carefully selected to get that diagnosis and treatment plan.

Burst appendix on the other hand is someone acutely dieing in front of them, generally 1-2 days to live depending on their other health status. Legal liability is highest for inaction or wrong action. They'll fix you right up every time.

Actions speak louder than words. If you didn’t get the Covid vaccine, that would tell me more about your confidence in vaccines than any of your arguments do. However, if you did take the vaccine then you’re at least consistent with your words.

Wait do you actually think cholesterol kills you?? Like you actually believe that eating a lot of meat is bad for you?

I'm consistent, but perhaps not obviously. I said sometimes I listen to the doctor and sometimes I tell them to piss off. I did my best to explain how I decide on a case by case basis.

Cholesterol might kill you it might not. We need way more information than you'll get from a standard doctors blood panel to know your risk. Particle size and stickiness are both measurable and affect your risk. A typical doctor will just slap a statin on it without even measuring them though.

I'm eating just a hunk of beef for lunch. Serum cholesterol and dietary cholesterol are unrelated. This is another case where doctors "best practices" means following outdated advice because of the lawyers and inertia.

Good advice costs more. I have high cholesterol with tiny particles that are very sticky, results of the chronic stress from leaky gut and bad genes. My PCP never got those details. My specialist did test, and they recommended more red meat. Guess who I listen to? Guess who produces results?