Say what you will about Ver, but this is simply more grand larceny by the State. This “exit tax” was implemented under the Clinton administration; another way to legalize theft.

“Specifically, when someone gives up their citizenship, their property is treated as having been sold for its fair market value the day before they renounced their citizenship in a ‘constructive sale.’ Under federal tax law, any gain arising from that ‘constructive sale’ must be accounted for in that tax year.”

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many of us expats have considered and weighed the cost/benefit of renouncing. the liability that comes with the "exit tax" is just simply too high for most of us

And I’ve been and may again be among you.

Can’t have the tax cattle wandering off the farm.

tbh though, US tax is still minimal as compared to other countries. So it's a trade-off.

I would also hope I get the Navy SEALS package if ever I'm in a bad scenario in a weirdo country

One would hope.

Move all your net worth into Bitcoin and pick a jurisdiction without an extradition treaty with the US? Seems the latter is where Ver went wrong.

I suppose that would be one the costs of renouncing. Drastically limiting the nations of the world that you could visit.

Basically, yes. And once you have family, that calculation gets even more complicated.

The problem, mostly, is just with the information you give Uncle Sam. I haven't seen much analysis about people's "declaring" of bitcoin assets if they never sell with their taxes, but that'd be a worthy issue for any Bitcoin podcaster to cover.

also: we shouldn't have to feel like we're criminal for simply denominating our life in sats!

If you’ve not read nostr:npub1hk0tv47ztd8kekngsuwwycje68umccjzqjr7xgjfqkm8ffcs53dqvv20pf's Cryptosovereignty, I highly recommend it. A relevant quote:

“If we are to free humanity from the shackles of fiat money and the state’s totalitarian economic control, we must remember that we are only free without the state or their allies of banking and fiat money.”

was unaware! will check it out

He tried to kill bitcoin. It was a lot worse than people think. He didnt want to compete, as they do today. He wanted chain death, so that bitcoin, as we know it, would cease to exist, and become a historical orphaned chain.

I dispute none of this. My point, however, is about the vampiric US tax regime.

Yes, good point. Property rights are pretty flimsy. I guess, like anything else, they need to be fought for, to end up with a fair solution.

Indeed!

Do ya feel like a citizen or a farm animal? You can’t wander off pasture and escape your endless milking 🐮.

Takes a lot of advance planning to escape the farm animal treatment.

So tired of the endless milking.