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MAHDOOD

Yes I’m being dogmatic about vaccines. Unvaccinated children do not have worse health outcomes.

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https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3fd8/df559fa29b045887c94b5aa2fda2a930f5aa.pdf

Undisciplined 5mo ago

I fully support looking into the available evidence on this topic.

There are interpretation issues due to selection bias with these things, that have to be kept in mind.

Office visits are not equivalent to any particular health outcome. To even use them as a proxy requires an assumption that parents of unvaccinated kids are just as likely to take their kids to the doctor.

That seems highly unlikely. Another interpretation of these charts is that parents who don't get vaccines for their kids also forego other medical interventions.

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MAHDOOD 5mo ago

My understanding is that this data is only on kids that come in for regular visits. It’s a pediatrician who collected the data then go his license revoked. Obviously noticing that vaccinated kids are sicker than unvaccinated kids is malpractice.

Undisciplined 5mo ago

Yeah, that helps, but it doesn't totally address the selection issue. Parents willing to forego vaccines will differ in other ways too, even if one element is accounted for.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

It would be ideal if they just compared vaccinated to unvaccinated people in general but it’s hard to when you’re risking your career over it. Thank big pharma for that.

Undisciplined 5mo ago

For sure. We already know how to do this well, based on experimental designs that were used to study the effects of smoking on pregnancy.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

I’m not familiar with those designs

FiddleHodlHomestead 5mo ago

There are at least two US doctors who kept long term records of their vaccinated vs unvaccinated patients. It's likely that parents who forgo vaccinations are less likely in general to take their kids to the doctor, but the differences in diagnoses probably need more explanation than that.

Undisciplined 5mo ago

No doubt. Each piece of evidence adds to the case and reduces the set of things that still need to be ruled out.