Many humans consider deer and kangaroos invasive species, giving them the right to 'thin the herd.' So, what will extraterrestrials consider us when they make themselves known? We can only hope they are more advanced than we are.
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I think there is a difference between culling wildlife and other intelligent beings. Besides that, people who have these hippie feel good beliefs often omit the very real consequences of humans taking a hands off approach when it comes to nature. Doing so would be unsustainable for humans on this planet, and if that's the goal of such people, they can exit the ride if they really want to. We are a natural part of earth and survive by thinking and manipulating our environment. That's what we do. That's probably what any ET would have to do as well.
As for dealing with them, I'm a proponent of having plans and systems that allow us to respond in kind to whatever response we get from such beings.
'Thinning the herd' (aka population control) and killing to survive are separate concepts, though they can overlap. Plants are also alive and die when eaten, but that is outside the context of this post. The point is about the ethical difference between choosing to kill to control populations versus the necessity of survival.
Since we have multiple proven, non-lethal methods to manage wildlife populations - methods that are both effective and humane - lethal control is clearly a choice rather than a necessity. This choice reflects our values and priorities as a species.
Even within the (cheap) "lethal control" range of options, "survival" killing and "population management" killing can be integrated.
My state government's regular denial of kangaroo hunting permits to the rural poor, followed by hiring hunters at public expense to shoot thousands and leave them to rot is perverse and evil.
Less cruel than natural mass starvation of kangaroos, true, but clearly animal welfare and even budgets are not the priority.
Class warfare is the priority, especially the war on food security.
That's crazy. Also noticing you're a kangaroo... An erudite one. What happens if you just go hunting without permission?
People do. I know some.
But if you get caught, the govt seizes your gun license (permanently), fines you hard enough to sell your home, and may choose to jail you.
Its a $5000 fine just for taking fallen timber from beside a road now. "Free World" we aren't...
How's the woke over there? Are people resisting at all? Like, organizing politically, getting laws changed anywhere
Unfortunately, nothing. Most people cope with alcohol, algorithmically-censored social media, and reality TV. Dissent is disloyalty, and sometimes punishable. Middle-class people have had their doors smashed in by police and dragged off into the night for posts on social media.
Some of our states are much better than others, thankfully. Mine (Victoria) is the worst.
How can it be solved? I have ideas, but those are probably best left as last resorts
Last night I was supposed to install GrapheneOS on a friend's Pixel so he could speak and listen more freely.
Unfortunately at the last minute he decided to buy a Xiaomi instead.
It got slow after the first update and now he wants a refund that he's not going to be given. Pixel now after all.
People acquire technical smarts at the price they deserve...
I'm loving grapheneos. Idk how this isn't being showcased on every tech YouTube channel every day
Which vertebrate species can survive without killing?
Any with human help, including humans, but most choose death
My immune system genocides entire microbial species fairly often.
The cereals and legumes I eat require the mass poisoning of insects, fungi and little rodents to be harvestable.
My son as a baby was briefly prescribed a fully synthetic infant formula, that's the closest I've seen to a no-kill diet.
We could have solved all that stuff before moon landings if we chose to
'Thinning the herd' (aka population control) and killing to survive are separate concepts, though they can overlap. Plants are also alive and die when eaten, but that is outside the context of this post. The point is about the ethical difference between choosing to kill to control populations versus the necessity of survival.
Since we have multiple proven, non-lethal methods to manage wildlife populations - methods that are both effective and humane - lethal control is clearly a choice rather than a necessity. This choice reflects our values and priorities as a species.
Have you ever had back straps tho?
All life is special.
There needs to be respect shown for the animal.
Speaking of kangaroos, I've often wondered why Aussies don't seem to eat them. Haven't seen a single 'roo dish in our four week tour. Seems like a waste, given their abundance. Why?
While not the most popular meat (it's very gamey), many Australians do eat kangaroo. One can readily buy kangaroo meat at Woolies and most other supermarkets, and butchers. It is also an ingredient in some raw dog and cat food.
You can't farm them & you need a permit to be able to harvest them for retail consumption. Lots of regulations.
People hunt them but rarely harvest the animal. I've never understood that
It's often sold as cheap lean mince or as a novelty in tourist restaurants. You can usually buy it in the supermarket.
I used to think that a major factor in determining long term survival of a species is its deliciousness. As in: if only there was a good recipe for rhinoceros, there would be plenty of rhinos.
Turns out that reproduction rate and farmability play a big role, too.
Anyone have a delicious idea for cockroach? Klaus Schwab maybe?
If bananas weren't tasty to humans, they wouldn't have spread throughout the world. They don't produce viable seeds and rely on humans for propogation.
The humble meat chicken is a generic abomination. They cannot exist without human assistance. They can barely walk under the weight they carry. Most don't live long enough to ever lay an egg. Their genetic survival is secured by being tasty to humans but they're existence is sad.
Did you say, you were touring Oz right now?
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The Large Ant by Howard Fast plays with this idea. It impacted me strongly as a teenager. https://archive.org/details/Fantastic_Universe_v12n04_1960-02/mode/2up