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Many humans consider deer and kangaroos invasive species, giving them the right to 'thin the herd.' So, what will extraterrestrials consider us when they make themselves known? We can only hope they are more advanced than we are.

#Ikitao #AvaQuotes

Matt 1y ago

I think there is a difference between culling wildlife and other intelligent beings. Besides that, people who have these hippie feel good beliefs often omit the very real consequences of humans taking a hands off approach when it comes to nature. Doing so would be unsustainable for humans on this planet, and if that's the goal of such people, they can exit the ride if they really want to. We are a natural part of earth and survive by thinking and manipulating our environment. That's what we do. That's probably what any ET would have to do as well.

As for dealing with them, I'm a proponent of having plans and systems that allow us to respond in kind to whatever response we get from such beings.

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Ava 1y ago

'Thinning the herd' (aka population control) and killing to survive are separate concepts, though they can overlap. Plants are also alive and die when eaten, but that is outside the context of this post. The point is about the ethical difference between choosing to kill to control populations versus the necessity of survival.

Since we have multiple proven, non-lethal methods to manage wildlife populations - methods that are both effective and humane - lethal control is clearly a choice rather than a necessity. This choice reflects our values and priorities as a species.

Low Information Voter 1y ago

Even within the (cheap) "lethal control" range of options, "survival" killing and "population management" killing can be integrated.

My state government's regular denial of kangaroo hunting permits to the rural poor, followed by hiring hunters at public expense to shoot thousands and leave them to rot is perverse and evil.

Less cruel than natural mass starvation of kangaroos, true, but clearly animal welfare and even budgets are not the priority.

Class warfare is the priority, especially the war on food security.

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

That's crazy. Also noticing you're a kangaroo... An erudite one. What happens if you just go hunting without permission?

Low Information Voter 1y ago

People do. I know some.

But if you get caught, the govt seizes your gun license (permanently), fines you hard enough to sell your home, and may choose to jail you.

Its a $5000 fine just for taking fallen timber from beside a road now. "Free World" we aren't...

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

How's the woke over there? Are people resisting at all? Like, organizing politically, getting laws changed anywhere

Low Information Voter 1y ago

Unfortunately, nothing. Most people cope with alcohol, algorithmically-censored social media, and reality TV. Dissent is disloyalty, and sometimes punishable. Middle-class people have had their doors smashed in by police and dragged off into the night for posts on social media.

Some of our states are much better than others, thankfully. Mine (Victoria) is the worst.

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

How can it be solved? I have ideas, but those are probably best left as last resorts

Low Information Voter 1y ago

Last night I was supposed to install GrapheneOS on a friend's Pixel so he could speak and listen more freely.

Unfortunately at the last minute he decided to buy a Xiaomi instead.

It got slow after the first update and now he wants a refund that he's not going to be given. Pixel now after all.

People acquire technical smarts at the price they deserve...

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

I'm loving grapheneos. Idk how this isn't being showcased on every tech YouTube channel every day

u32Luke 1y ago

IMO it starts at the developer level. So many tech stacks need to be simplified and approached with a security first lense. #GrapheneOS is an excellent example of this.

u32Luke 1y ago

Better money, better freedom tech, more liquidity. Creates a flywheel effect that can be extremely powerful

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

What are the non-lethal options?

Low Information Voter 1y ago

Sterilisation, mostly. Catch, inject, release.

Some modified STIs can reduce the need for human labour, but evolution adapts.