IMHO
Discussion
WoT relays tend to be full of spam and porn and bots and crap. I avoid them.
Notabot was. 🤣
It's a hard problem to solve.
How did search engines and modern ai solve this problem?
They didnt. They just upvote what pays them the most revenue. It's a perpetual system of perverse incentives.
Perverse or not, it survived in the Darwinian sense.
Well the idea is that you can buy reputation. Which is not ideal.
Trying to measure reputation outside the constraints of money? What if money is our crappy but best measuring stick for other things like power, knowledge, time, reputation, etc.?
The (fiat) money system is rigged, by those who control, or are close to the money printing facility. It leads to a system of essentially debt slavery, and propaganda. Bitcoin is the next evolution in money, by providing a much less rigged system, with no money printer. You can perfectly say that the current system of debt slavery is the best we can do. But other can say, let's innovate, and make a better system. That's how bitcoin was created. And now that we have bitcoin we can try and create a better reputation system. Nostr needs one anyway.
Right on. The algorithm for reputation may not need to change… despite changes in the fundamental definition money?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
Can't speak for AI applications but this how how Google, LinkedIn, Reddit, and Lemmy handle ranking algorithms (different mechanisms for different platforms and demands)
It is, no doubt, but WoT is not it
Maybe this is the solution (timestamp set)
Conceptually not bad, and in fact we’ve seen this here around 2-1.5 years ago with zaps. On the contrary, given that there are unlimited identities, it might not work as well or at all (pay to punish)
For some it is. It's how Mafia works. 🤷
I used to believe it could be, and I still think it has value.
But I'm more inclined to suggest that Nostr is not the solution. This is not where I intended to ask- but I'm not sure I understand the downside to federated social media. I've never used bsky or mastodon but I came to Nostr instead of Lemmy a few years ago when people were abandoning reddit. Now in 2025 I've learned more about Lemmy and realize what I'm doing with Nostr is just an absolutely laughable way of replicating federated social media.
What's up with federated social? Why is it so widely regarded as bad, when Nostr is doing similar things?
As far as I can tell, maybe Lemmy or other federated services don't offer file uploading natively? I'm not sure if they do or not. And of course they don't appear to have zaps implemented anywhere.
At this rate I feel more inclined to try and add zaps to Lemmy than keep trying to build anything with Nostr. But I'm not trying to complain or be a doomer here. Just my 2c and curious what others think the downside to federations are.
Solution to what?
