Like who? I don't follow. There hasn't been someone jailed for exceeding free speech for any real length of time for decades.
I don't mean a bad cop or mayor or whatever, but time and time again, comthe courts always rule in favor of speech in the cities, states, and supreme court.
Happens all the time. Read the news. Read some Zinn
That's not an answer or example. It's a lazy argument akin to Google it. I don't know of any in the past decade. You seem to.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Mahmoud_Khalil
In a way you're technically correct as he was detained without any charges at all.
Am I supposed to Google it for you?
Hahaha. Wtf? He isn't a citizen. He is a visa holder and the same rules don't apply. It is part of the application and approval.
A temp visa holder cannot say whatever they want, duh.
He is a terrorist sympathizer and anti us.. That's an easy ass way to be deported if you ask me.
I am not sure he is anti-US; possibly he is just against US policy in the Middle East -- as am I. However, in the long run, none of these Middle Easterners should be in the same countries with us. They need their own countries, with which we should not interfere unless we are directly threatened (we are very guilty on the latter count, and I sympathize with them). They should take their wars and their centuries-long feuds elsewhere. That includes the Middle Eastern minority that owns the US Congress and the television networks, of course.
I am 100% fine with he and them being here. However, when on a visa, you agree to certain things. You can't burn a US flag for instance. You in no way have the same right to speech as citizens.
I could care less if a citizen is spouting anti us propaganda and even supporting terrorists via speech.
However, as a guest of the country, fuck off.
Interesting; thanks. On another but somewhat related topic, I have always been astounded at the degree to which Southerners in the US absolutely love the Zionist terrorist killing machine. They practically worship it.
Define southerners? Who in particular do you mean? Like Alabama? Or Georgia or Texas? Not sure I follow.
I've spent a lot of time in central Virginia, and a reasonable amount in Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas. The near-worship of Israel used to be mostly restricted to the evangelical folks, but it seems to have spread to conservative types generally. It's really quite bizarre in its unreasoning intensity.
He's a permanent resident. And, you're okay with the de facto suspension of habeas corpus? I've read too much history to agree with your points
Visa/green card is not really any different. Still have to play by sec of state and other federal department rules as part of the program.
He's a terrorist. He's not some dude on the street. He tried to extort and help a group of violent political operatives and students. That's domestic terrorism.
And yes, I do not believe non citizens get all the same rights while a guest in a country that is not their home. 💯
And no, they shouldn't be holding him for jonteason, he should be deported immediately and status terminated.
This is about recent free speech cases and issues though, not the immigration status and rights of a non citizen.
Might want to brush up on your ConLaw: there's no mention of "citizens" here:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
I understand your sentiment, but that isn't how a nation of laws works. But perhaps we are no longer a nation of laws
You are correct, however missing a few key distinctions.
If going literal, Congress didn't make a law or throw the guy in jail. The DOJ did.
But courts have ruled of course it applies to states, cities, and lots of other things not just Congress.
The key distinction here is that when not a citizen, rather a visa, green card, etc.. you are required to sign on the dotted line with lots of different stipulations. End dates, status, background info, checkina, tax requirements, and on and on. It isn't about the right to free speech, it is about violating the terms of your stay.
Currently, in this one case, the argument is he lied or didn't disclose his background. I'm not saying that's true or not, FYI.
Citizens are supposed to get their rights not trampled on, others do not have such a guarantee. Hence why deportations are a thing.
We simply cannot allow people from other countries to come here, use speech to drum support, then tear down the nation. That's fucking asinine and the opposite of what we should be encouraging.
