sir this is not outbox this is just connect to every relay in the world

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

Technically it connects only to the relays that your follows use :)

did u figure out why my 800 follows created a set of 932 relays by chance? havent been able to check on my follows in a while im graduated to following relays now 🕊️

just scrape your relays for relay relay lists, and collect the unique ones. nearing 1000 seems like a reasonable estimate of the number of relays in operation now

i may do this to regain some sanity.. or loose some..

Just Unique makes you miss most content as people's posts are not in all their outbox/inbox relays.

in my relay #orly there is a spider that, based on the first and second degree follows of the designated owner npubs can fetch all the events of first and/or second degree, and it can either just grab the stuff that helps you find people (relay lists, profiles, follows/mutes) or it can just scrape for them. i didn't make it automatically use the relay lists it has in the db to keep it simple but it would be simple to add that.

if you paid for one relay, and every 10 minutes it was fetching events from everywhere, a) it would be worth paying for and b) everyone would find everything.

but it requires auth to really work.

also for relays operators to be able to easily contact other relay operators to make peering arrangements

That's a user's problem. If they're using an outbox that does not accept their notes or does not have them all, you're just kicking the problem down the road for them. That's why they should pick 3, and make sure those 3 relays have their events (not just be all lossy, with no retries etc).

EG: If someone has damus in their relay list, but they don't post there half the time. Sorry they're invisible now. They gotta pick relays wisely. There should also be a relay list, for umbrels, and filters and etc, get that crap out of nip65.

Anyway, I ran a quick analysis on my follows relays, only NIP65 (not kind3), and normalizing case and trailing slash:

Calculating optimal relay set using greedy algorithm...

Total follows with relay lists: 726

Greedy set cover algorithm:

============================

1. wss://relay.damus.io (+485 follows, 66.8% total)

2. wss://nos.lol (+ 95 follows, 79.9% total)

3. wss://nostr.wine (+ 38 follows, 85.1% total)

4. wss://purplepag.es (+ 23 follows, 88.3% total)

5. wss://relay.mostr.pub (+ 13 follows, 90.1% total)

6. wss://wot.utxo.one (+ 7 follows, 91.0% total)

7. wss://theforest.nostr1.com (+ 5 follows, 91.7% total)

8. wss://premium.primal.net (+ 4 follows, 92.3% total)

9. wss://bitcoiner.social (+ 2 follows, 92.6% total)

10. wss://creatr.nostr.wine (+ 2 follows, 92.8% total)

11. wss://filter.nostr.wine (+ 2 follows, 93.1% total)

12. wss://inbox.relays.land (+ 2 follows, 93.4% total)

13. wss://nostr.mom (+ 2 follows, 93.7% total)

14. wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net (+ 2 follows, 93.9% total)

15. ws://4bluxabinr4kyukywrhkgxaqppbqo6hh6zb5z42h7kdoqkju4jbqq3id.onion:4869 (+ 1 follows, 94.1% total)

16. wss://37.202.159.214:4869 (+ 1 follows, 94.2% total)

17. wss://auth.nostr1.com (+ 1 follows, 94.4% total)

18. wss://bostr.bitcointxoko.com (+ 1 follows, 94.5% total)

19. wss://cfrelay.puhcho.workers.dev (+ 1 follows, 94.6% total)

20. wss://fragarach.nostr1.com (+ 1 follows, 94.8% total)

Optimal relay set covers 688/726 follows (94.8%)

Uncovered follows: 38

I'd do a method with at least 3 active relays for each follow since from time to time relays go off-line. Overtime, people should migrate to outbox with just 3 relays in their lists anyway.

But I am way more interested in getting personal relays for each follow. I don't think 1000 relay connection is a big deal. Phones can handle much more than that.

Right, and also yeah nip65 has become polluted by all these blastr/proxy maxis. It's being used for purposes it was not supposed to be used for. Clients forced everyone to override the settings, by not providing fine tuned relay types like amethyst is going to..

Glad to see you're on it. :shipit:

this is neat, need more of this

Each follow has 5+ relays.. so..

Also lots of relay variants, like filter.nostr.wine/npub...

and.... why not!? "they say: it can handle that"