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Interesting feedback and rant quoted below:)

I wonder what Reddit was like to begin with? It must have been quiet. What number of active users do you need to reach to make a thing like that feel active? What the hell is the network effect lol? What wizardry is this???

There are obvious differences with nostr. Reddit probably spent money on marketing(?)

Nostr is amongst a lot of competition.

One of the strengths of nostr is that from the very start it had a community to tap into: b!tcoin twitter, which it could attract from and have as beta testers p much (is how I'm reading it anyway). It also might be the biggest weakness of nostr, it has a very fixated topic and ingroup jokes and language which new comers outside of that group find off-putting it seems. (Actually even some of BT find it off-putting.)

It's a p decently-sized problem. As I've said before.... Newcomers will forgive jankyness, clunky clients, they may even think ah not now, I'll come back when that's fixed. Newcomers see a one topic obsessed social media and the solution to that isn't so obviously fixable. And I don't think zaps are the solution to that, people do seem quite content on not being paid, see Bluesky even.

It'll be interesting to see the solutions to this #asknostr #grownostr

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reddit was good to begin with, the vote ranking only works with a good balance of users which as such captures the wider middle, nostr can improve by selectively counting votes with wot etc

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Sure. I was sort of thinking how Reddit even works at the very start. The first weeks/months/year. How does something like Reddit even look when it only has a few users? Or did they have a push with invites/marketing or whatever.

there was a massive influx from digg at some point, there was many such chances with the decade of censorship but nobody was ready, nostr is close but something p2p will probably be it, nostr has no decentralized media and no straight forward way to scale or mesh, we can however certainly move nostr and current content onto a p2p backend so we are on the right path

Yeah heard of it and stumbledupon, but never used any of these, I've never really used Reddit either.

Do you think a similar collapse of all these twitter alts into the best/last alt will happen?

Last, not necessarily being best maybe ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

no it will be best but cost is a metric and nothing beats p2p on that

all social will go to something like nostr but p2p, people will consistently migrate to nostr and to the fedi, once on nostr you cant be contained to any app or website, bigtech becomes pointless, the tech monopolies are in for a rough ride, and they deserve it, pity elon wasted his money as thats a hell if a lot of dev work

I'm not knowledgeable enough to answer you properly, sorry. But sounds curious. What do you think of the Urbit project? I got given a moon or a planet or a whatever, but it was stupidly annoying to use. Is that the sort of thing you're thinking of?

sure urbit is interesting, there is many interesting projects, they all never take off for a variety of reasons, for p2p social they generally just dont work, look at ipfs it just runs poorly and social built on it even worse, one of the best p2p protocols was hypercore which has become holepunch which is what keet.io is using, the dev being done on it is determined to solve p2p for most uses and seems to be getting there such that nostr apps should look at using it

nostr is succeeding now because all these different apps can talk to each other and any new app has an established user base and content, and its censorship proof but only for text