What about this one
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A9-15&version=NIV
Discussion
Sexism in the capital C Church, not fake churches filled with wolves, is a straw man argument. Don't waste your keystrokes arguing
I donโt know why you think this is a straw man. I see people who love the Lord but are still bound to this idea all the time. All of us still sin and none of us know everything. When thereโs so much popular teaching promoting sexism as Godโs desire, is it any wonder so many churches and individuals have accepted it?
I think your definition of sexism is the problem.
When you classify the understanding that men and women have different roles, and different levels of authority in the Church as sexism. You are not aligned with scripture, or God. Itโs not โsexistโ to follow Godโs design for men and women.
The abuse of menโs authority over women is wrong, as that violates scripture. But the authority expressed rightly and lovingly is Gods design. Donโt let your pride blind you.
Is the below bible verse sexist?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A9-15&version=NIV
Your understanding of it is.
We donโt disagree on the relevance of Scripture, only the interpretation of it. I encourage you to look into this further and prayerfully.
To take this position, you have to assume 2,000 years of church teaching on this matter has been wrong. All the the theologians throughout the centuries have missed what what what this movement has discovered?
If you want to appeal to church tradition (which is diverse) rather than Scripture as your authority, thatโs your prerogative.
This โmovementโ isnโt new, but rooted in Scripture, the practices of the early Church, and the life of Christ.
If youโre truly interested in understanding the position that men and women are equal in the sight of God, just like all races are, just like Galatians 3:28 says, there are many resources out there, some of which Iโve already shared and others which I will continue to share as time goes on.
Church teaching is rooted in scripture, what your implying is that your interpretation of the scripture is more accurate or more correct than the interpretation of the Church for the past two millennium.
No one is arguing men a woman are not equally valued by God, of course they are. But the notion the the sexes are equal in all respects, and shouldnโt have different rolls absurd.
Women played a critical role in the New Testament but why didnโt Christ have female disciples? Why didnโt he have 6 female and 6 male?
I ask I to only to illustrate that that the God of of all creation who chose to come to earth through a woman new that the rolls that needed to be filled were different for each sex.
Iโm realizing that youโre not interested in following up on any resources I send you, addressing my responses or original post on their own merits, or looking into this matter as if my point of view has any potential truth. That makes continuing to answer you until that changes seem to be a waste of time.
But as a last response for now: all the apostles were also Jews. Does this mean only Jewish men can have leadership roles in the church?
Could it not simply be that he chose twelve Jewish men to echo the twelve sons of Israel?
Please feel free to discuss this matter further with me when you are actually willing to consider it.
Ethnicity is a not an equivalent to sex. Especially when sex is specifically addressed multiple time the context of rolls.
Gender rolls are so fundamental to life they are expressed biologically and socially in every mammal on the planet.
Itโs difficult to give this more than a cursory thought due to the overwhelming evidence against the position in all human and animal social hierarchies.
But hey I agree with you on guns ๐. Just donโt want my daughters in the trenches.
Thereโs a lot going on in that one, so Iโll send a list of articles. In essence, Paul is not forbidding all women from ministry, but talking about the behavior of specific women in a specific church in his answer to a letter to Timothy.
Big list:
https://margmowczko.com/category/1-timothy-212/
A couple brief relevant articles:
https://margmowczko.com/authentein-bad-behaviour-1-tim-212/
https://margmowczko.com/1-timothy-212-in-a-nutshell/
To which Iโll add the following thoughts:
A non-exhaustive list of women in the Bible who preached includes Deborah, every prophetess including Huldah, the Samaritan woman at the well, and Mary whom Jesus sent to tell the brothers He was risen.
And while I was busy today, the following episode came out! I havenโt listened to it yet so canโt say if itโs good or not, but it likely is and the subject matter is directly relevant to part of the verse you sent, so here it is:
Just saw this, will check it out.