you brought up suffrage.

the original note was about working

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And you're inferring here the two are not highly correlated?

I'm not saying anything either way about suffrage. I was just saying: "yes, this is a funny joke. but also: duh, there are great reasons to want to be productive, work, trade, and make your own money".

Nothing about that has anything to do with whether or not you are legally allowed to vote for which criminal enterprise you'd prefer to rule over you in your democracy.

We probably disagree in the sense that there are also great reasons to not work trade and make your own money. Life is a whole lot easier when someone else can just provide those things for you. You can be a lot more productive and other areas of your life do not have to work a job to make a living.

Tradeoffs, sure. but trading off literally all of your sovereignty and ability to support yourself is a pretty steep one. It's a good incentive to be 10000% sure you're committing to the right person (and that he doesn't get kidnapped, or develop a gambling problem, or wrongfully arrested, etc. etc.).

The same way everyone should learn basic self-defense because you can't always count on someone else protecting you - everyone should consider what kind of valuable work they'd be able to do if they needed to.

That's not a trade-off you have to make if you are married.

Did you even read this?

> It's a good incentive to be 10000% sure you're committing to the right person

Yes but I don't think of marriage that way. Marriage is not a measure of how sure you are. It's a commitment you make. If you are not sure then you don't commit to it. People are so unsure now because they refuse to make any sort of compromise on their own selfish desires.

Do you think my wife is any less sovereign because I pay the bills and she homeschools the kids?

Let me ask. Do you have kids?

Do your last point. There's nothing controversial about improving your individual skills. of course people should do that.