Lets say knots is at 100% usage, but someone still adds CSAM to the timechain (because they'd still be able to)

Will the knots users stop running rheir nodes?

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They will take care of you 😇

I thought the Core side was the one that responded with feels and not technicals

cc: nostr:nprofile1qqszrqlfgavys8g0zf8mmy79dn92ghn723wwawx49py0nqjn7jtmjagpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcjaple5

Maybe the question is not worth answering seriously? 😁

Why?

And why then is that not something the core side can say when called out about the same thing?

1. You are invoking emotions using CSAM as an example

2. 100% Knots usage premise is funny

3. Assumption about stopping to run nodes is even funnier

Sorry for shitty formatting, this one was the answer to why

nostr:nevent1qqsv48smv4p3qnk8mzjndf2dyda9kduspswfqne7jvdvfthk59awnlq5amjzv

Core v30 is 100% safe and effective.

Like a condom

GM,

Core > condoms

Very sound arguments, no emotions at all 😛

Im just kidding BTW, Im not against knots just think knots users have not thought through the consequences of their actions. Neither have core tbh.

Lol, I think the issue is overblown in the first place.

ALSO, the original argument is about defaults. No idea why Core needs to change defaults.

ALSO Core have closed some issues as “too controversial” in the past, this might’ve been correct course of action in this case too

I think i have some idea, and im not against it, but ill express those when theyre formed a little better and its not too controversial to be able to speak unfinished thoughts.

Core v30 has malware. DO NOT UPGRADE 🙅🏼‍♀️

No they will just scream for an update then some random guy outta nowhere is gunna show up & go hey we forked knots & made the update you want now no cp will ever get on. Start running your COP node now! Then the cycle begins again.

What will node runners do when KYC for internet access is normalised globally?

Tor

Also nostr can serve as a transaction relay mechanism as well.

Oh thats a cute line of thinking, but eventually digital id will be on the CPE level of isp's.

https://petertodd.org/2025/opentimestamps-and-knots-ocean

'Hypothetical: Knots No Longer Relays OP_Return Transactions: (...)

At the moment, no released version of Bitcoin Core or any known fork of Bitcoin Core (Knots and Libre Relay) propagates transactions paying a fee-rate less than 1 sat/vB. Yet, at the moment, both of my Alice and Bob calendars are producing transactions with sub-1-sat/vB fee-rates. Even though something like 99% of Bitcoin nodes reject these transactions, they get to miners just fine.

As Satoshi said in the initial announcement, “[Bitcoin] takes advantage of the nature of information being easy to spread but hard to stifle”.

Since it only takes a single path to get a transaction — information — to a miner willing to mine it, for an actively maintained operation like the OpenTimestamps calendars, it is exceptionally difficult to prevent transactions from getting to miners by simply running nodes that reject those transactions.'

It is of near 0 consequence of what knots users do or don't do... Don't be afraid of them. Embrace them.

Knots is not about filtering smap. It is about signalling that we don't like spam.

You say signalling is stupid? Our whole society works 99% on signalling alone. Autists don't like it, but rest of people (99%) follow it.

This is an artificial regulation, regulations corrupt natural incentives. Im not on any "side", you can chose to pick any "side" you want, but every side has consequences.

Fees. You bump the fees.

Exactly

Great example of the Nirvana fallacy: a false dichotomy where perfection is presented as the only acceptable outcome. The goal is harm minimization and the datacarriersize option has been doing that very effectively.