Replying to 5e1533dd...

> The argument that filters do nothing because determined spammers can just go direct to miners (and pay much more) is nonsense.

No, it's not. You can just download a libre relay and send anything to a mining pool like MARA pool. "Spammers" pay a premium to MARA, for as long as other mining pools choose to censor their transactions. If enough revenue is generated by those "spammers", I'd expect more pools to start relaxing their mempool policies. Absolutely no transaction has ever been censored because of the way this network works.

In short, it's not your mempool policy that makes the difference, it's Foundry's, Antpool's, ViaBTC, F2Pool etc.

> If that is the case why do they want to remove the filters?

Because 1) it does make it more comfortable for people with these transactions to be part of the network and 2) it makes your transaction fee calculation more accurate.
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cheesypleb 7mo ago

You miss the point. Yes spammers can go direct to miners. But it costs them more and requires more effort, as you then admit 'it males it more comfortable for people with these transactions to be part of the network'. I do not want to make it more comfortable for spammers I want the network to be as hostile to them as possible.

The fee estimate point is FUD, even if it were an issue it would be a price well worth paying, but it is simply not an issue. See Mechanics explanation for details, but my understanding is it only affects those using an outdated method of estimating fees anyway.

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5e1533dd... 7mo ago

I do miss the point, indeed. The point I miss is that the problem is people who don't want to accept the inefficiencies of a decentralized network and its inevitable role as a data later, but want to meddle with it, causing unintended consequences, because they place themselves as arbiters of truth.

The mempool issue isn't FUD. If you have a different mempool than the mining pool's, then your fee estimation is less accurate. That should be fairly straightforward to grasp.

The more you try to censor dataonly transactions, the more you push them to transform into forms that are indistinguishable from regular transactions, and then it'll be even worse for all of us, because they'll bloat the UTXO set with millions of unspendable UTXO.

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cheesypleb 7mo ago

It's core that want to meddle with it by removing a filter that was clearly working pretty well. We just want them to leave it alone. Removing control from nodes and pandering to spammers is the biggest long term threat to bitcoin IMO.