Why not just use Monero then? You can still save in Bitcoin if you deem it a better store of value.

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I like Monero

-decent privacy by default

-(i believe) favours hashing from home miners (Vs huge data centers)

but its not gonna make it

-tail emissions

-only bitcoin can really stand to fight against the fiat standard and all of its defenders.

-bitcoin has a crazy starting advantage over anything (security/decentralisation/adoption)

-look at what's being built on bitcoin Vs crypto

--liquid

--lightning

--nostr

--btcpayserver/nodeless/zaprite/Oshi/IbexPay

--coinjoyn/payJoin

--i am sure I missed a few

I think it's easier and better to just make collaborative transactions (joining via PSBTs) instead of giving up all the bitcoin advantage to go to Monero

what you described as built on BTC is either redundant compared to Monero but with less privacy like Liquid or CoinJoins or attackable like LN or coin agnostic like nostr or BTCpayserver, SeedSigner, bisq,....

Not going to make it as what? What are your goals/needs?

Monero: Strong default privacy, real world fungibility, cheap tx fees. Superior MoE especially considering Bitcoin's high fee future. It's a better p2p digital *cash*

If Bitcoiners want to claim BTC has properties that make it a better p2p digital SoV/gold/commodity that is a different argument. But really, any future prediction of price is all speculation. You can control supply. You can never control the fickle winds of demand...

-There are only two options for L1s. Tx fees(worse for MoE) or Tail emission(worse for SoV). Tail emission makes the most sense for a digital cash. Let's put this into perspective. Gold has been the best SoV over several Millenia. Monero has less inflation than Gold. If this scares you don't use Monero to save - use it like cash. Save in Bitcoin.

-This is just a claim with nothing to back it. I can easily say Monero mining is more decentralized and discrete (ubiquity of CPUs) and has a similar number of nodes to Bitcoin. Bitcoin is also missing an important aspect of censorship resistance: privacy.

https://bitnodes.io/

https://monero.fail/map

-And Monero "has a crazy starting advantage" over any Bitcoin privacy L2+ that has to start adoption from scratch. Look at lightning and liquid for examples. Almost no adoption vs on chain Bitcoin or Monero.

-Liquid:

>Permissioned network

>Only hides amounts. Transaction graph visible - senders and receivers completely exposed

>IP visible by default

-Lightning:

>illusion of final settlement (nothing is truly settled until on chain)

>relies on large middlemen nodes for succesful routing and cheapest fees

>need capacity to recieve to begin with

>can't send modestly large amounts

>both parties must be online at time of transaction to transact

>can be rugged if your node isn't active (or trust to do it)

>bad receiver privacy and hidden balances can be discovered by a passive adversary

>can be force closed onto the base chain against your will

>ability to grief honest users with zero cost

>worst of all it isn't a real solution for scaling for all the things you downsides you take on

>Recent critical security issues bring even more major doubt and concern:

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2023-October/004154.html

-Even though Bitcoiners built Nostr, the protocol is agnostic and has nothing to do with Bitcoin.

-You can use Monero with BTCpayserver too

-Coinjoins/payjoins are weak obfuscation vs Monero's encrypted amounts and addresses. Nothing is hidden. Range of amounts and connections are all still visible and can be unraveled using offchain data or use mistakes. Privacy also degrades over time.

>Opt-in (You stick out and smaller anon set)

>Makes Bitcoin nonfungible

>Liquidity is split between several protocols

>Privacy degrades over time

https://localmonero.co/knowledge/ring-signatures-vs-coinjoin

- You missed Ecash. The only real contender for Monero's privacy. Only problem is it is custodial and mints can print IOUs that are unbacked by the base layer: Bitcoin.

Not only is it a slim chance these L2/3s overtake Monero's network effects. None of them are full replacements for Monero.