Primal is going to eat mobile nostr clients' lunch soon enough. Coherent UI/UX, plethora of content types, bandwidth friendly, product thinking, listening to their users and responding to feedback, actively doing marketing and relentlessly shipping. No installing 3 apps to use nostr, no UI hodgepodge, not targeting the autist or tech geek niche but a general audience, signer & wallet built in as your daily driver should have. These guys are winning.
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UX is king.
Privacy and decentralization are not features. They are architectural decisions that should just be there. Excusing bad UX by selling privacy will get you nowhere.
Users today don’t care about privacy or decentralization. We win by giving them the best UX which also happens to be private and decentralized.
they should just use twitter if they don't want privacy or decentralization, its much better and has better ux
Why not give them something better that also has privacy and decentralization?
WHAT DID THEY DO TO DESERVE IT
DID THEY EVEN ASK NICELY
Exactly. If they want to be the normies client thats fine but I'm not on nostr to jau the a twitter clone. I want my next cold. I want tor as an option. I want marketplace. I want zap splits. I want private PMs. They don't have shit on amethyst from a power user perspective.
I obviously agree about the importance of a good UX. But it cannot replace knowing and picking the right values (=features) in the first place.
A great UX should alleviate the pain that necessarily a new protocol introduce, and we should treat users with respect creating a dialogue around these values, don't just try to attract them with easy and appealing solutions. We win explaining what matters, why it matters, and offering good software that makes that obvious and enjoyable.
I agree. Privacy and decentralization is the reason why I chose to develop B2B software on top of Nostr.
My point is that if we want to win, we need to appeal to the regular user, and not just the forward looking user who is willing to put up with bad UX because of privacy gains.
Absolutely.
Nostr does not inherently have privacy. Why do people keep believing this myth?
Nostr is a cryptograhically confirmed public identity. It's almost the opposite of private.
You are right. I use gift wrapped events to add a layer of privacy. It’s not perfect but if relays only serve gift wrapped events to their intended recipient, it’s reasonably private
what if because of the decentralized architecture you can't build a UX as good as the centralized one? (according to some UX criteria)
what do you pick at this point?
Privacy and decentralization.
Developing B2B software on top of Nostr, with privacy and data sovereignty is hard, precisely because of the UX.
Agree. Started with Damus long ago on NOSTR early days , after Primal released, never looked back again. Great job!
if they are winning Nostr is losing
that's great news for the Primal Protocol perhaps
just ask yourself what will happen to the reputation of Nostr when they're the top 1 app and are forced to ban someone
What are you even talking about? They’re not even getting the basics right.
They've never managed to get the follower counts even close to right, despite having their own caching server. Also, 40 percent of the notifications don't come through, and replies sometimes don't show up.
There are much better clients out there.
yeah, did they ever fix zaps? 🤨
honestly about to delete Primal. really not interested in Apple servers storing my nsec. nearly done using nostr on ios anyway thanks to Apple, just not a winning ecosystem.
Yep. I didn’t want to point that out as well. It’s open knowledge that Apple has access to „encrypted“ iCloud syncs. I deactivate everything iCloud on a Mac but didn’t think of the >90% Apple users not doing that. That’s why I implemented #NoorNote storing encrypted nsecs on the file system instead of in the Key Chain yesterday. Will be in the next release insh'Allah.
BTW, I’ve been getting a popup on #NoorNote the last 2 releases that wants me to upload my “password” to Apple keychain. Was going to ask about that.
Must be the NWC string. Your nsec isn’t stored in the Key Chain. Fix coming in a few hours insh’Allah. Then you just go to Settings -> Zap Settings and switch to file based storage of your NWC string.
Or is it the password you set in NoorSigner terminal to unlock it every 24 hours?
