Lightning has good privacy. Even Liquid-BTC shitcoin has good privacy. There's no reason to be using Monero at this stage.
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dude
ive been honest with you about me looking in LN
even after you straight up lied about the "just download Zeus and open channels etc. 5 minutes to strong privacy"
and you KNOW you cant prove your LN privacy
and I CAN prove my Monero privacy
and Monero self custody and UX is still better.
so you're just wrong
there are at least two good reasons to use monero over LN right now.
I can prove my LN privacy by zapping you and asking you to find my on-chain address.
LN is 0.002 of the Bitcoin network...
Self custodial LN use would be a fraction of THAT.
Try telling someone, some organization, or some country who wants to buy 6000 bitcoins that "dude just download Zeus" "dyudee, it's private, I zapped you and you couldn't trace it!!! "
Wow bravo, you could hide the origin of a 10 sat zap from the counterparty... But what about a situation where chain anal, 3 letter agencies or nation states are surveilling the LN ? How would you know that? How would you mitigate against it? They could reek havoc on privacy.
Tl;dr privacy for 0.002% of the Bitcoin protocol!= Bitcoin protocol is private
Bitcoin is not for everyone, I couldn't care less about that: "someone, organization, country".
Stop being so afraid of "3 letters" and nation states, that's such a statist mindset—you act like they are the boogeyman, because you allow them to rule over your mind. I'm not afraid of them or anyone. I'm also not a target. Neither I'm wasting my precious sats buying drugs on darknet markets like fucking 99% of you Monero shills are.
If they manage to surveil Lightning, all they will see is me buying eggs from local farmers/friends, zapping memes and other normal everyday things. I reject consumerism and i aim to live in the most sovereign way possible so that i barely need to spend money in the first place—they will have nothing to surveil because there will be no transactions, that's true privacy.
Yes 💗🤝💗
lol you mfkers
from "bitcoin is actually very private"
to
"why do you need privacy if you have nothing to hide?
and trying to sell it as a win.
bravo 👏
You didn't understand his M.O. or are just misconstruing it to suit your narrative.
Bravo Strawman Kanzan.
Bravo 👏.
its not a strawman when he literally says "I'm not a target. I'm just making legal everyday purchases. and ideally i make no purchases"
like no shit.
its still "we dont actually need privacy because we have nothing to hide"
but by all means
lecture us some more about how it's US who don't understand privacy.
his MO is "dont move large amounts of btc and you dont need privacy"
very cool
much private
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Wow, way to move the goal posts. We're talking about the PRIVACY of Bitcoin.
Now you're lecturing me about not being afraid?
"Sort of" privacy in 0.002% of the Bitcoin protocol (AKA LN)? That's what you're defending?
LN privacy isn't quantifiable... It MIGHT be private... But the moment it isn't, you wouldn't know
"Bitcoin is not for everyone"
Yeah like anyone who wants privacy moving large amounts of bitcoin lol. What a dumb thing to say.
I eviscerate your position, and you retort with, oh... Okay well Bitcoin isn't for everyone...
Not caring about "someone, some organization or some country "
You realize that encompasses EVERYONE?
LN privacy is the ultimate LARP.
0.002% Bitcoin (AKA LN) != Bitcoin
So if you want to argue BITCOIN privacy, let's focus on base layer privacy
Moving large amounts of bitcoin, to do what? To go crazy with consumerism? Fuck off. The only time you should be moving UXTOs is to open LN channels. If for some reasln you don't want Lightning, Coinjoins and Liquid-BTC are your second-best options. HFSP.
and there it is.
safe to say we've exhausted your intellectual abilities now 👋
You were asking for help here on Nostr recently, because you couldn't even open a Lightning channel on Zeus on your own. You are in no position to criticize anyone intellectual abilities or even debate Bitcoin privacy topics. HFSP.
cool story bro
sorry you got your ass handed to you today and are left with nothing else to say.
better luck tomorrow ❤️
How is buying a lot of Bitcoin analogous with consumerism?
I'm talking about SCALE. 0.002% of Bitcoin being sort of private isn't good enough... Sorry
Not being able to own your keys on Lightning doesn't sound very private to me.