Am I wrong that you two are the most popular and best funded Nostr products?
That's a pretty early and severe fork of protocol, no?
Am I wrong to guess that Primal is probably breaking protocol because protocol sucks and prevents them from making the product they think is best for users?
And the result is to blame each other instead collaborate and fix shit?
wild guesses here surely...
Yes their theory is that the protocol sucks for the client which is why they don’t use it. But they are really the only app doing that. They have managed to get market share by leveraging the nostr name and data and lots of marketing.
The tradeoff is that they are a platform that can go down, unlike pretty much every other real client. A better comparison would be to compare actual clients.
We are slowly converging to a similar network model, but it’s not spec’d by the protocol. It’s flexible on purpose since not every app would have the same network requirements on where stuff is fetched from. nostr is not just global microblogging, you could have setups that don’t even reach outside your corporate network.
It's already over man. Pivot.
The use case of nostr is "make an app in a weekend" and that is where it ends.
Zoom out and look at yourself manufacturing a local corporate network use case... it's nonsense.
Also, all of your creativity at approaching this problem is lacking. There's no reason Nostr can't support indexers or trusted data sources, and then fall back to being a client and self-assembly when needed.
There's so much wrong, and it is actually all fixable, but it requires breaking everything and giving up on the memes.
Its over? There are tens of thousands of people using nostr every day.
I love nostr, it’s a great protocol and is great for hacking on. There are so many new experiences i want to build on nostr, and i can because i don’t need anyones permission.
Leave it for what? A less flexible protocol? I’m good. I already went through that with activitypub.
Its over nostr:nprofile1qqsr9cvzwc652r4m83d86ykplrnm9dg5gwdvzzn8ameanlvut35wy3gpzdmhxw309aex2mrp0yhx5c34x5hxxmmdqyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnvv9hxgqgswaehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5kyxy3k, let John leave. He is not interested. We shall not keep him here.
Wish you luck with pubky. Make it awesome. 🤙
(Keanu Reeves - I am at the stage of life...)
There are tons of people who also tell me bluesky is a better protocol… at the end of the day i just have to accept that other engineers just have way different tastes than me.
Exactly! 🤙
Even users have different tastes. We have place for more ideas.
And prepare, that we become more and more polarized in this part of the cycle, making more conflicts. So you wont be able to do all battles.
i've worked with the protocol. it's retardedly complex. it breaks the law of unix that says you should use plaintext. it breaks all kinds of domain boundaries in its logic.
while i disagree with the kinds thing in nostr, the design is sound, and the best design will win.
"best" will not win. prettiest & easiest will win. least path of resistance for uses will win.
Well, I went through my own journey of R&D and ended up somewhere different.
But my criticisms remain valid, and I bet my behavior this week will ultimately make nostr better, so maybe fuck off with the personal attacks and ignorant claims about our work?
haha
primal is centralised? yeah, some of us noticed that. they also have some of the most narcissistic people based on the non-operations chatter they make. for which reason some of us suspect they are handled by propagandist masters.
primal is just "nostr" X. anyone with a brain can see that they ignore the fundamental design and architecture principles of the protocol.
