i want to clarify that this particular discussion of age of consent so to speak is only in the context of "normal" straight sex, that can be rationally expected to be enjoyable.

it is NOT rational to expect for example that an adolescent boy would enjoy getting ass fucked and far more reasonable to assume he is being abused.

and yes i do realize that for the most part it is the gays who are interested in fucking young boys whereas straight men are perfectly happy for the most part to wait until the girl is 18 ...

but this isn't just about us adults. all this talk about how children need to be protected seems to imply that adolescents themselves do not have a need for sex like everybody else. they perhaps do not have a need for sex with adults but they have a need for SOME sex, even if only with themselves.

teaching abstinence is BARBARIC and only one step above ritual genital mutilation, because it completely disregards the needs of the person taking into account the perceived benefits to society only. this type of thinking is what led to the Aztec human sacrifices - we are supposed to be better than this.

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