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Do you agree with Jesus Christ?

"You have seen me and yet do not believe."

1. Even as Christ performed miracles, feeding a multitude with little, they refused to believe He was God even witnessing and participating in those miracles.

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."

2. Man is totally depraved. Fallen. A slave to sin. God-hating. A man can only come to Christ if God regenerates Him and *draws* him into Christ. No Christian can boast of their faith or salvation, for they contributed nothing, even needing God's hand to believe.

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me."

3. Christ is here to do the Father's will.

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life"

4. The Father's will is that Christ will save everyone, every single person, whom the Father has sent Him to save. Not to offer salvation to the world, but to save without error those whom God sent Him to save.

" I should lose nothing of all that he has given me"

5. Christ will fail to save zero whom He was sent to save. God will fail to redeem zero whom He has predestined to Himself.

Conclusion: All whom God has predestined, the elect, to be redeemed to Himself (of their Sin) *will* be drawn into Christ, whom Christ WILL KEEP AND LOSE NOTHING.

This is the Gospel, straight from God's mouth.

#ToChristAlone

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"For many be called, but few chosen"

(Matthew 20:16)

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How could they be called but not chosen? (According to the above?)

Because God's saints "disciple the nations" preaching and evangelizing the Gospel, even knowing that God will not draw all into Christ.

Relevant.

The challenging reality for Christians is not knowing who has been selected for salvation, including themselves.

It is possible to be turned away at judgment day even as a lifelong "Christian" because man's ability to decieve himself is unmatched.

Can you truly Love God and but be dammed?

One cannot truly love Christ without God's predestination.

One can decieve themselves as to their election.

The only (imperfect) sense that Man can have is in perseverance in sanctification and repentance; those whom God did not draw in will fall away to Sin; there life will not be progressively transformed like the Elect.

Agreed, but can the Elect fall away? did Christ not say of the end times “even the elect will be deceived”?

No the Elect cannot fall away.

They can and do Sin, but feel deep remorse and are then disciplined by God in continued repentance /sanctification.

Hi

Aquinas teaches that predestination involves God’s active decree to grant efficacious grace leading to glory for the elect, while reprobation is passive God permits damnation due to the creature’s foreseen refusal of grace. This preserves divine mercy in election and justice in punishment, as reprobation stems from sin rather than God’s positive will.

Guess it really comes down to can you “reject God”, if you can’t we have no free will (either to accept or reject), and without free will there can be no Love.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/437424-god-created-things-which-had-free-will-that-means-creatures?utm_source=perplexity