Everyone who suggested Zeus or Phoenix to me probably did not understand the problem of having a novice use zaps on Nostr.

The vast majority of nocoiners don't even know what sats are, let alone understand apps like those mentioned above.

Obviously to stay on Nostr it is not necessary to use zaps, but zaps are still the killer feature that holds back the majority of those who come here.

However, if the only viable alternative to not losing your sats is having to learn how to use Zeus or Phoenix, then we can kiss "normal" users goodbye.

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Honestly the easiest, most friction-free way to get a working lightning wallet is to just use Primal. Its turnkey and comes baked in with a wallet hosted by Strike.

No thanks.

Yes I’m using Primal and happy thus far. Nothing is perfect, but this is as close to it as possible today

Exactly, I started on primal and then it led to me setting up Zeus and Alby. But its a great place to start and hit the ground running.

It's definitely the easiest.

i ended up going back to the primal wallet after failing to make anything else work.

It's a shame amethyst doesn't have an inbuilt wallet, otherwise I wouldn't even be using primal.

minibits.

You can set them up with ZEUS’ new Cashu wallet. They can get a Lightning address for free and start having their a-ha moment on Nostr, with the ability to accept 1 sat zaps.

Then, as their wallet balance grows, ZEUS will provide educational material and prompt them to upgrade to a channel when economic self-custody becomes viable.

Do I always have to open the app to zap or is there a built-in NWC option in Zeus?

App doesn’t need to be open to receive zaps, but you do need to open it to send zaps. At least at present.

I see. It could be a valid alternative when there will be NWC at least like in Minibits, otherwise at the moment it makes no sense to use Zeus for zaps.

Why? Just because of the convenience? It takes ~10 seconds to open the wallet and then you can have it running in the background.

When you onboard users to wallets that are solely custodial you risk them getting rugged down the road.

Yes you are right, but why use Zeus in cashu mode when there is already Minibits with more options and better ux?

Until using ecash they are both custodial and when sats increase you can move to self custodial solutions like Breez.

Zeus is definitely a great wallet and I have it installed on my smartphone myself, but I would never recommend it to a novice.

The main add is that you’ll have a UX that the user can grow with. Minibits is not going to prompt you about upgrading to self-custody. ZEUS will and can support you across your whole Bitcoin journey.

The idea that a UX you can “grow with” is inherently superior overlooks a core principle of Bitcoin: self-custody should not be treated as an eventual milestone, but as an accessible and optional starting point — not a requirement.

Minibits’ approach, where the app doesn’t prompt users to upgrade to self-custody, isn’t a weakness — it’s a deliberate UX choice focused on simplicity, privacy, and real-world usability, especially for users in regions or situations where technical onboarding is a barrier.

ZEUS, by encouraging self-custody and node management early on, can unintentionally raise the entry bar for new users who are not yet ready — or willing — to deal with private key management or run their own infrastructure. While the educational intent is commendable, pushing users into technical complexity too soon can alienate or overwhelm them.

In contrast, Minibits provides a gentler onboarding experience, lowering the friction for Bitcoin adoption while still preserving the possibility of deeper engagement later. A UX that meets the user where they are — rather than demanding they become a power user from day one — may, in fact, be more effective in fostering sustainable Bitcoin use.

So, it's not always about growing into the UX. Sometimes, the best UX is the one that lets you start immediately, safely, and without unnecessary complexity — and gives you room to grow when you choose to.

Where is the possibility for deeper engagement later in this scenario?

That’s a good question — the possibility for deeper engagement comes from the app’s design: users can always choose to withdraw their funds, take self-custody, or move to more advanced tools when they feel ready.

Minibits doesn’t lock you in — it simply doesn’t pressure you. It focuses on making Bitcoin easy to use from day one, while leaving the door open for users to grow on their own terms.

Thanks for the thoughtful exchange — ultimately, having different tools for different needs is a strength for the Bitcoin ecosystem.

How does a user know what self custody is if Minibits is their only frame of reference?

That’s a fair concern — but education doesn’t have to come from the app itself. Many users learn about self-custody through the broader Bitcoin community, real-world needs, or simply over time as trust in the tool grows.

Minibits lowers the barrier to entry, and once users are in, curiosity and context often drive them to explore further — whether that’s self-custody, Lightning, or running a node.

No single app needs to do everything. What matters is that users have the freedom to choose, and the path remains open when they’re ready.

I appreciate the conversation, but if you allow I would end it here because you are not going to convince me and I have no desire to convince you. 🫂🎨

No problem.

I hope you take some time to try out our new wallet because you seem to have some misconceptions about how it all works. Please let us know if you do.

Hope you have a good day.

We need stupid simple but highly controversial Nostr clients...without zaps 🤯

Just likes 👍🏼 for normies. Apparently likes are the new currency 🤷

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Absolutely agree. Using these wallets you have that itch to learn new things. Most people don't have that.

I use Minibits for zapping and have a Phoenix wallet that I use to top it up and an Alby Hub.

I use Phoenix to receive zaps.

While my setup isn't polished with a great UI and a smooth setup, it's possible either via a web hosting/service company or home server setups like Start9.